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RE: Is a 223 to small for deer?
ORIGINAL: ipscshooter ORIGINAL: Rebel Hog It's illegal to hunt with in FL, minimum .243. ORIGINAL: Alsation Yes, the .223 is too small for deer. There is no ethical range for shooting deer with the .223. The .223 is too small for deer. You asked; I'm tellin' you. The "ethics" question does NOT apply to legal caliber/cartridge. Rather, it applies to things like choice of properly constructed bullet and limitations to range and shot selection that are within the caliber/cartridge's performance limitations. |
RE: Is a 223 to small for deer?
I checked the Louisiana regulations. Here is what they say:
It is illegal to hunt or shoot deer with firearms smaller than .22 caliber center-fire or a shotgun loaded with anything other than buckshot or rifled slug. Handguns may be used for hunting. |
RE: Is a 223 to small for deer?
So then any .22 centerfire is legal there ?
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RE: Is a 223 to small for deer?
I have really been wanting one, but I cannot afford it at the present time. They are red, right, if not, I'd like to find a red one. The biggest reason that I use the McDonald's straw is because it has been passed down from my great-great-great grandfather who bought it when he was 16. My family has hunted many years with that straw.
P.S., what calliber do you use in the Arby's straw? |
RE: Is a 223 to small for deer?
Can a .223 kill a deer?
I've read all the post so far and I'll just repeat what has already been said. Any gun can kill a deer if bullet placement is right. A friend of mine swears to me that his .17 rem is the best deer gun he has ever had and he has kill quite afew deer, coyotes, and varmits with. Then again he is an ex-military man and has been trained and is a heck of a shot. So for him its ethical. Lets not forget that we are talking about deer. You don;t need a heck of a lot if the shot placement is right. My favorite deer centerfire cartridge is a .243 win. Alot of guys will go with the 30-30 or 30-06 because they have knock down power to bust through bones if shot placement is off. So it really depends on you. |
RE: Is a 223 to small for deer?
ORIGINAL: zrexpilot So then any .22 centerfire is legal there ? |
RE: Is a 223 to small for deer?
It's a matter of choice. If you choose to use a larger caliber, then do it. If you say the .223 is small, then you are just wrong. If the shot is placed in the same killing zone you would shoot with any other caliber, it will kill the deer. Would I use it for long range shots? No. No more than I would a shotgun slug or even a .30-.30 . But up to 100 yards it is fine. Is it what I shoot? No. But I wouldn't be afraid to take it and keep my shots 100 yards or under. If you want a gun that you can take shots at 350 yards and make a bad shot and knock a leg off a deer it's not for you. I'm suspecting that's what we're dealing with here.
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RE: Is a 223 to small for deer?
Geez, what is so wrong with using a .270 or 30-06 to hunt deer with? are people THAT recoil sensitive?
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RE: Is a 223 to small for deer?
ORIGINAL: CommonSense Geez, what is so wrong with using a .270 or 30-06 to hunt deer with? are people THAT recoil sensitive? What these smaller rifles won't do is work on an ass end shot and they may get a bit "ify" beyond 200 yards on mule deer sized game. I've got a feeling that the folks criticizing the hotrod .224 caliber rifles have never hunted anything with them. Anyone who has knows for sure they work with deadly regularity on any properly hit deer. Some of you "experts" might like to read P.O. Ackley's account on hunting Arizona mules with the .17 calibers before spouting off how a .223 won't work on deer. I've yet to see my first mule deer shot and lost by such a rifle. |
RE: Is a 223 to small for deer?
ORIGINAL: Pavomesa ORIGINAL: CommonSense Geez, what is so wrong with using a .270 or 30-06 to hunt deer with? are people THAT recoil sensitive? What these smaller rifles won't do is work on an ass end shot and they may get a bit "ify" beyond 200 yards on mule deer sized game. I've got a feeling that the folks criticizing the hotrod .224 caliber rifles have never hunted anything with them. Anyone who has knows for sure they work with deadly regularity on any properly hit deer. Some of you "experts" might like to read P.O. Ackley's account on hunting Arizona mules with the .17 calibers before spouting off how a .223 won't work on deer. I've yet to see my first mule deer shot and lost by such a rifle. |
RE: Is a 223 to small for deer?
yeah, if everything is right and good shot placement is used, a 223 will kill a deer. however, it leaves a WHOLE LOT less room for error than a bigger cal. I'd go 243 on up. Also, for the range, check a ballistics table or program and see the range that it still carries more than 1000-1100 ftlb of energy. This is widely considered the minimum needed to kill a deer. BUT WHY USE THE MINIMUM?
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RE: Is a 223 to small for deer?
In Louisiana, any centerfire larger than .22 caliber is legal. So a .223 is a legal deer round. I took a 6 point with mine last year. I didn't take it out for deer this year, but I did get a coyote with it. I like to use all the weapons in my locker if I can, I don't like "safe queen" rifles. If it's in there, I'm putting it to work. Other than that, I don't really have a reason to take the .223 out for deer. Didn't think I needed one.
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RE: Is a 223 to small for deer?
A .223 will kill deer if A]you can shoot B]know your game anatomy C] know your range limitations.With the Ruger Mini-14 the rifling twist is 1-10 or maybe faster now so you can use 60gr+ bullets.I've shot several deer with .223's and my dad with a .222 all deer dead one shot out to 150 yards.And three black bears one shot each.Again Canadian Inuit have been shooting walrus,caribou,seals,muskox and polar bear with .22 Hornets and 222's for decades now.Old news ,I'm afraid....................Harold
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RE: Is a 223 to small for deer?
A 223 will kill deer for sure. I have seen it done many times and it works perfect. Shop placement is KEY though!
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RE: Is a 223 to small for deer?
I have killed 6 axis deer with a .222, its the ranch gun at a game ranch I visit. Sometimes when I am over ther visiting the ranch manager, hewill get a wild hair and offer me a deer and I use his .222.4 of those axis were bang flops (2 neck shot, 1head shot) on theother one it was a body shot that hit the spine, bang flop, the other 2 were boiler room shots, tracking these 2 deer was a little scary, no blood trail, but they only went about a 100 yds. In this area its pretty clean terrain so finding them was not toobad. But in say a real brushy condition, like south texas it would have been a nightmare..
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RE: Is a 223 to small for deer?
So what your saying is that a .223 will kill a Deer?
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RE: Is a 223 to small for deer?
You can use a .223 inMissouri andI have taken two deer, one shot each right thru the lungs. The bullets passed clear thrueach deer. You need to use common sense about the distancebefore the shot. I don`t like making long shots with any size gun but thats just me.
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RE: Is a 223 to small for deer?
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THERE, I JUST KILLED THIS TOPIC WITH A 223. |
RE: Is a 223 to small for deer?
I was trying to be friendly and chip in being a new member but did not look at the old date of the last reply on this topic, I will be more careful about posting next time.
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RE: Is a 223 to small for deer?
no it's a little to small go with a 243 it would be much better!
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Nothing personal dude,it's just that this issue of a 223 killing or not killing a deer is like the perrody of this sight.
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RE: Is a 223 to small for deer?
If your military trust it to kill people who are shooting bigger cals back at ya, tHAN BY ALL MEANS USE IT ON DEER.....
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RE: Is a 223 to small for deer?
Of course they are awesome deer killin machines. My brother shot a monster buck with one at 200 yards and dropped stone cold.
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RE: Is a 223 to small for deer?
Man, some of you make me laugh…
First check if it is legal. If so, it’ll be fine. As always, shot placement plays a key role. From what I can see (in shoot better II) with a 69 grain Boattail HP match you’ve got 1379 foot lbs of energy at the muzzle. 1252 at 50 yards, 1134 at 100 yards1026 at 150 yards and 926 out to 200 yards. That is plenty of energy to kill a deer. Don’t think so? Go check out the energy of a bow. It is all about how the energy is transferred. I won’t say names, but don’t listen to the post about armor piercing! That projectile won’t expand in the animal at all, so it won’t leave any energy behind. The animal could go really, really far before dying if at all. Not ethical. Deer aren’t made of “armor”. Good luck, KP |
RE: Is a 223 to small for deer?
Are you guy's any good at board game
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RE: Is a 223 to small for deer?
my son killed a 10 point buck with my 223 at 150yrds with one shot it never even got up. so i know they will do the job.
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