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ok. so im hunting in my stand on my landi shoot a buck and it runs about 50 yards onto someone elses property limping bad and bleeding bad. that other person shoots it to finish it off. whos deer should it be?


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Hate to say it, but IMHO it is the other persons deer.

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Got me but I do know the other guy is a d.i.c.k

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Depends on him I guess, me personaly, I might "finish it off", but I'd let you have it because I don't want "sloppy seconds".

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The person that shoots it first should get itthats the way all of us in Iowa do it. That other guy seems to be an *#$.

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So who ended up getting it?

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umm, if that guy cant hear a shot that you took 50 yrd away and then all a sudden a deer comes running his way, he should have (youd think) enough brains to think about what is going on here and wait, if it was me in your situation, i would take the deer , it is not his, and if he some how persists that he shot it, then gut and skin it right there and show him that there is two shots in it and ask him how two shots got in it when he only shot once??? and of course if that doesnt work well then i quess there will be a little fisty cuffs going on. thats my take on it

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unfortunately he did. i was only 15 at the time and for some reason my dad decided it was best if the other guy just took it. the more i think about it the madder i get and the more i think i should have just loaded it up on the fourwheeler and drove off.

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That's pretty messed up, I thought you were allowed to retrieve wounded animals on adjoining properties if they wondered off that way...guess not eh?

Don't think about it too much, there are going to be plenty of opportunities and better deer. He will get what's coming for him, Karma baby!

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Unfortunately people don't have very good ethics anymore! Yoy know it i know it and he know's it that the deer should of been yours! The only way i would say no that it wasn't yours would be if you grazed the deer and didn't hit it very hard! People are greety as hell these days, its a shame being you were as young as you were and some adult shows that kind of authority over a youngperson like yourself! I've had 6 to 7 wounded deer come through my woods and the land owners contacted me and i went with them so they wouldn't shoot anything else to recover and or finish off there deer. Its a question of ethics and alot of people don't have a drop of them!

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I have run into this situation before, and we always went with the first fatal shot. It isn't necessarily fair to go with first blood - what happens if the first guy nicks the deer on the lower leg (and doesn't hit an artery). Sure there will be some blood, but that hit isn't going to kill the deer.

Jason

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I think that legally when you shoot a deer it becomes your possesion (which is why when a deer crosses a property line you have legal right to pursue) but I think it probably isn't worth fighting over as long it was just another deer to you (not your first or a wall hanger).

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yea thats the thing though. it was my first deer and it was a 10 point with about a 20 inch spread. it was a very nice deer. but he will get what he deserves and ill get another one.

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When you shoot a Deer and it cross over property lines,and you cross,Then that becomes tresspassing on your part, and yes you should do everything to recover that deer, but if the land owner says No stay off my property then he's right? At least thats the way it is here in Indiana, The land owner doesnt even have to give a CO, the right to come and get it.But i agree the adult should of said come and get your deer Son? But iam sorry things dont always happen like there suppose to, and his day will come?

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Not in Michigan. It does not become your possession until you tag it. Not legal in Michigan either. You need permission to trail a deer on private property.

Every state has different regulations. Also in Michigan, DNR policy is, the shot that kills the deer, gets the deer. Not the shot that would have killed the deer after it bled to death.

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thats f%$king ridiculous, i wouldnt even listen to that law, give your heads a shake, you shoot and hit, wound orkill, its yours as far as i am concerend.

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I believe the first hunter who shot the animal is the ethical "owner" as long as he makes a good faith effort at retrieval. Of course, the property owner is probably the "legal" owner of a wounded deer that he finds on his property. A variation of this happened to me in New Zealand this year. I shot a red stag that had been wounded by another hunter 4 weeks previously. The stag's right front leg was broken and still very swollen but the he had survived and was still climbing the mountains. As the previous hunter had paid for the stag it was his and I got to shoot him as a second stag of the week at no cost to me. I thought that was a great outcome for all concerned.

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The way I see it as far as ethics go the first "fatal" shot gets the animal. Though when it has happened that another party member has wounded a deer and someone else finishes it in our party the first hit owns the deer. That said when it comes to 2 seperate parties it up for grabs, unfortunately. I wouldn't tag a deer that was shot by someone else only seconds ago. Such an event is unlikely as I don't hunt that close to another party, in fact rarily am that close to someone in my party either.

As far as crossing property lines here it is illegal to cross onto posted land to retrieve legally harvested game without landowner permission or DNR ******. A couple places i hunt I can not obtain permission to retrieve downed game from the landowner as such I don't put myself in the situation where it may happen. Meaning in such a case I hunt far enough away from the property lines that a death dash will not make it to their side of the line.

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IMO, It belongs to whoever killed it. Now, I'd be nice if he offered it to you to tag since your saying you shot it first. But, legally there probably isn't much you can do about it. I'd let him have it if thats the way he wants it. No need in starting a pissing match between bordering landowners. There will be other deer. Just remember this is my opinion.

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By law it is their deer. Just hope the guy won't be an idiot.

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You can retrieve wounded aminals from other property, with the property owners consent, otherwise its tresspassing. Yeah the guys is acting like a complete A hole, but it technically is his deer.

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Man that's bullsh*t!! Technically he could probably legally keep it, but if it was me, I would have let you have your deer. Regardless of the finer points of whatever the law may be there, I would still consider it "your" deer. What a butthole. Don't sweat that jerk. I know it was your first and that sucks. But you'll get another one. Prolly even a bigger one!

chris

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that sucks.[:'(][:'(][:'(]But in missouri a wounded animal doesnt give you rights to trespass. not saying you were but he probablly had the legal rights to the deer. Ethically hes a real poohead.sorry it happened but keep your chin up

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Great White, I feel your pain and know firsthand the frustration as I hada similar thing happen to me this past weekend.

I hunt public land that is adjacent to my family's private land, the landowner to the west of my family's private land has a big hunting party every opening weekend - a few of whom are teenagers.

Anyway, I had been watching an 8ptr since late September but never got him within bow range during bow season (wind conditions, etc.). Rifle opener was this past Saturday and knew this buck's normal routine. Sure enough as soon as the sun peeked over the tree tops, the 8ptr came walking out of an area that was clear cut 2 years ago.

I had my crosshairs on him and took the shot as soon as he cleared some of the new growth. I tagged him behind the shoulder (admittedly a tad high), knocked him down and watched him run and lay down. Another guy in my party (hunting the private land) immediately walked to my stand, which causedthe buck get up and run again.

We waited a bit longer to track him and while tracking him we heard 2 shots directly in front of us. My buddy decided to stop tracking because of the shots, but I trudged on, found the standand the hunter (one of the teens calling his dad on the walkie-talkie ecstatic). I did not approach him and went back to my stand. Later, Isaw the deer hanging in the neighbors garage.

My take, my shot was high and was not immediately fatal so it was rightfully the other guy's deer regardless of the "fair chase" doctrine.

What I learned, I need to shoot my rifle more during the off-season,wait longer to track, and setup a few stands for bow season to account for wind conditions so "my buck" doesn't make it to rifle season.

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Just to play the Devil's Advocate here, where do you think that you hit the deer. If it was limping badly then it sounds like just a leg shot and the thing could have run for miles. Under those circumstances the guy may have done both you and the deer a favor. Or, it may not have been limping or bleeding as badly as you thought andthe guy just took a shot at what he saw, a running deer. In Illinois where I hunt, most folks would give the deer to the person that actually brought it down. But then again, if it is a really big rack it might get ugly.

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I shot it right behind the left shoulder/elbow, crosshairs were on the vitals. I said I thought it was a high shot because I found some lung (I believe) while tracking it, actually at the first pool. There was quite a bit of blood, where the deer laid down (2 different times).

My mistake, not waiting long enough before tracking it, I'm pretty sure we pushed it to him instead of letting it lay downto die.

Icould notagree more, if the deer was wounded the other guy did it a favor.

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Something tells me that if that deerwould've been a scrubby basket 6'er or a forkhorn, it may have wound up yours. That's how some people are. You just have to hold onto the satisfaction of knowing everytime that guy looks at his wallmount he thinks about the guy who should probablyhave it...

I've seen near fist-fights go on at public land in WIover this same kind scenario.

Just gotta hope your deer drops where you shoot it.

You'd be trespassing in WI by going after it, too. I don't know of anywhere where there's "eminant domain" once you wound an animal of any type while hunting.

Live and learn...