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the difference between barrels is what they are made out of and how well the machines in the factory were operating the day your barrel was made...i worked at remington for a while, you'd be amazed at all the differet things that could go wrong during production

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First, you better check with the state your hunting in! Some states limit the caliber, and or the weight/grain of the bullet to a degree.
If range and hunting are in the same paragraph, check out that new 7mm win short mag! It has pretty good ratings and range to boot! 800 yards is a hell of a shot, better take in account the cuvrature of the earth! hee hee!
I use a .300 win mag in a Savage rifle, and it's one of the best I've shot. I do like my Browning Stainless Stalker .338, though!!

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I do know the mechanics for sharpe shooting, formulas for windage, elevation, cold or hot weather. The use of Mil dots, when or when not to hold off for wind. I just want the best. If a USMC sniper uses a pink redrider BB gun and kills enemys at 1200 yards with it then by george that is what I want. I read that Rem. 700 VS and PSS are very accurate rifles and I just don't understand accuracy. What is accuracy. IF my 7mm shoots dead on at 300 yards how is the 700 VS or PSS going to be anymore accurate than that? But my point in all of this gun questions is to find out if the VS or PSS is more accurate and is it enough to buy one and not use my 7mm anymore.

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ceaser8 what ever you do don't sell your other gun, it's an investment and farther down the road you'll say &quot;boy i wish that i still had that weatherby. besides you might have company show up one day and they'll need something to shoot too. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Ceaser8-You say your 7mm is dead on at 300 yards.That would mean that all bullets fired would go into the same 7mm hole.Accuracy is basically how close to this ideal that you really get.The truth is that most factory rifles shooting factory loads are not capable of shooting consistant groups of any better than 4&quot; to 6&quot; at 300 yards reguardless of who is shooting them.Some factory rifles would even double these group sizes.A very accurate rifle with properly developed loads and a skilled shooter on the other hand could consistantly shoot groups under 2&quot; at 300 yards.Rifles such as the sendero and vssf and models from other manufacturers are an attempt to produce a more accurate than standard rifle for longer range hunting.On average they will shoot smaller groups than the standard sporters but to be really accurate they must have proper loads developed for them and must be used by a shooter that has developed much better than average shooting skills who is willing to learn this particular guns trajectories at various distances and practise constantly at various ranges to keep his shooting skills sharp.The most accurate rifle in the world would be of little advantage to the average shooter as he does not have the skills to take advantage of it's accuracy.That is unfortunately the problem as many inexperienced shooters are buying heavy barreled long range guns in very flat shooting chamberings thinking that the will magically become long rang shooters.The truth is most will never put forth the effort it takes to become a long range shooter and will be mediocre shooters at best.Simply reading trajectory tables will not make you a long range shooter.Only long range shooting will make you a long rang shooter.To practise long range shooting you must have long distance range facilities,proper equipment and the time and dedication to practise and learn.

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ceaser8,
As far as accuracy is concerned. Both the Rem 700 VS and PSS are very accurate rifles and depending on the caliber you get and if you handload some good loads, you can get some good long distant shots (I paper shoot long distance, wouldnt hunt that far out). Honestly, they are nearly the same gun. Like someone about said, the PSS is Rem's police sniper, but the VS is practically the same thing with a couple of (in my opinion) minor differences. Not enough to warrant the PSS for a hunter. I say, if you can, and just dont want to use your 7mm, get the 700VS. WITH PRACTICE, and a LOT of it, you will love it. And in my experience, $700 is an average price for one, just dont forget to allow money for all the trimmings. G'luck with your choice.

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I completely understand your wanting to have a gun that will nail a deer to a tree but this guy you are questioning is more that enough to take any dang game down!

What are you truly trying to acomplish? If you want to take any game down buy this gun... Remember, the power of this gun will in most any range simply go stright through a (deer) inturn, yes killing it but for the money and the power you are talking about spending , why?

If this is the rifle you want then so be it. On the other hand your are talking about hunting,deer.

I have been very fortunate to be able to experience many acpects of hunting, most of all,the best gun I have TRULY found to hunt deer with is a 243 using,100gr.

1 to more than 250 yards this rifle will take down any deer, period!

I do have a selection of rifles, for many types of large game, ranging from 30-06, 30-30, 7MM, 308 and even slug guns namely, 20ga and 12ga.

So far the most reliable hunting choice has been my 243. Great path, range and good impact!!!

800 yds? Like you said Range and accuracy. The 243 will do all of the above, and so will most of all other calibers, but the 243 is a well balenced rifle for deer hunting.

I have even taken much larger game with this caliber, w/ one shot!

And as far as distance a 243 will for the most part exceed most other guns, with accuracy.

Use a GOOD scope and nail your target right, that's it, all is said.



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If your gun shoots as good as you say at 300, I think you would be fine even with your 7mm (I'm assuming it is a magnum) for most realistic shots while deer hunting. What stubblejumper said is exactly right. IMO, you'd have to be an incredible shot, with tons of practice to consistently shoot good at 800yds. Not many folks could actually do it. Heck even shooting 400-500 yds is tough, even with good equipment and plenty of practice. Nothing personal, but to say you want to shoot 800 yds at deer is probably about as stupid of statement as I've ever heard. Even at 300-400 it is very easy to miss or wound one, even if you are an accomplished shooter. Sounds more like a case of ego to me. But....if you are absolutely sold on having to have the biggest and baddest out there, get the sendero in .300 ultra mag. Then with alot of practice, and an extremely sore shoulder, and an empty wallet, you may be able to take some game at long range.
A better option IMO, practice with the one you have, possibly have it accurized, and most of all....learn how to get the deer in closer, you'll be alot better off.

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I have decieded to keep my 7mm. I have talked to some of my USMC friends at SD Ca. They say that most of the sharpe shooters are using the 7 Mags. B/c they are long range and potent at long ranges. I might get a bull barrel for it but that is it. By the way where can I get a bull barrel for it?