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Federal is stepping up to the plate to compete with Remington Ultra Core- Lokts, Winchester Partition Gold's, and Hornady SST slugs. My H&R Ultra-Slug Hunter prefers the Remingtons right now, but I am definately going to have to give these a shot. Federal is going to use the Barnes Tipped Expander Bullets (which the 250grain is my favorite ML bullet) 385 grain, the bullet will be housed in the 2 3/4" shotgun hull, and will leave the muzzle at 1900fps..... Here's the sight check it out. http://www.federalpremium.com/default.asp?pg=46
Hope this was useful info........

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They look interesting but how much are they gonna be? $11-12 for a box of 5 would be my guess.

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I will surely try some of those Sabots!




PART NO. DESCRIPTION
P152 XT1 12-ga, 2-3/4" 3/4-oz, Barnes Tipped Expander Sabot 1900 fps
P209 XT1 20-ga, 3" 5/8-oz, Barnes Tipped Expander Sabot 1900 fps

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The "Shotgun only" craze hasn't reached TN yet, so I'll hold off for getting a shotun with a slug barrel.

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My bet is more like $15+/box.

But remember guys - "if it ain't broke it don't need fixin'"!

Another "better mousetrap" IMO.

Go ahead and open your wallet wide and knock your socks off if you want.

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I'll stay with my $1.99 a box Remington Sluggers, they kill just as good. And it's a good feeling when you shoot out past 80yards and hear that chunk of lead hit.

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I have been using BRI's (Ballistic Research Institute) since before Winchester bought them out in the 70's! Been using them since the 60's. I just want to try those New one's forcomparison. Not to make a switch!:)

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I'll stick with my 100% money back guarantee.

You hit a deer, any deer in a lethal spot with any 20 or 12 gauge slug - IT'S GONNA DIE!

It's really strange howdeer never have any idea how much the slug cost, what make, model gauge, weight or new technolgy it might possess - they just die.

deer just having it's lungs blown thru.......

"Ah man, that there was one of themPartion Golds! Dang it all! I COULD FEEL IT! If only it was just a regular old Remington Slugger, I'd be in the next county five minutes from now and healed over by tommorow morning. Dang those Partions anyhow!"

Just funnin a little. [:-]

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You're right about that Matt!:)

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I'll try them out as a comparison to the Win Partition Golds I now use. I don't mind paying more for the ammo because it just falls in line with all the other equipment for hunting and fishing. The newer rifle premium bullets and layered powder arrangements the factories have been putting out make them very competitive with most custom hand loads. Shotgun loads are following some of the same paths. Improvements have been made in all types of equipment and I plan to stay up with any changes. Sure...A few dollars more but I like to use the best products available. Still there is a point about dead is dead and certainly shot placement is the most important factor in success. Nonetheless I am always looking for a better mouse trap.:D

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Uncle Matt, you can't tell people how to spend their money! As you probably know, different ammo flies differently out each gun! If your successful with the cheap stuff, you would be silly to change. But I am always trying to improve my accuracy when shooting slugs..... I currently shoot an H&R Ultra Slugster which shoots Rem. Ultra-Core lokts great, by great I mean consistently hit a 3" orangesticker at 125 yards and a 1 1/2" high above the black diamond inside the 3" orange at 50 yards, with bullet holes 3 of 5 touching. If I didn't experiment, I would have never found this ammo. My buddy's H&R prefers Win. Partition Golds.

By experimenting I try to take my equipment out of the equation when I'm in the field hunting. If I should miss for any reason, I want to know it is error on my part, not the ammo I am shooting. With my gun, I only have 1 shot, and I have to make it count........ The reason I am looking foward to this new ammo, is that I'm a huge fan of Barnes Bullets! I have done extensive testing with a whole gammet of bullets with my muzzleloader and have found that Barnes Bullets as a whole are probably the most impressive! That's not to say that they will impress me with my slug gun, but I am willing to find out. I'm not a person who has money to burn, but when I hunt, I want the best!!!!!!!!

P.S. I would like to see a smooth bore, fully rifled slug shoot a 3" group at 125 yards... I have 1 that shoots phenominally up to 70 and some where after that it takes a tummble!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm not saying it can't be done, but I'm certain at 50 yards it would have to be 8" high at the bare minimum.

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"Either healed over from the grazing I would have recieved or missing a legdue to wrong Kentucky windage"

But I guess it won't be an issue, cuz he used them damn Partions!!!!!

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And here's another new slug for 2007....... This one is Winchesters!!!!!!!

http://www.winchester.com/products/newitems/whatsnewcontent.aspx?productid=50

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I have had fantastic success (sub MOA!) with lightfield slugs in my 20-gauge ultra slugster!

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Whitetailcrazy, I hope your eyes work better when you're hunting............

Doesn't sound like I'm telling people to not spend their money - it just I'm not wasting any of my money.

As a newber I can cut ya some slack. Your not telling me a thing about H&R USGs - we've got a few here and I've been shooting mine for about 10 years.

Of course I do know that the same model guns can shoot ammo differently, but thanks for pointing that out. I'll make sure to remember that.

We have shotour share of slugs and have settled on what shoots what I consider excellently out of them. I don't think that there is any sense to try anything else anymore.I don't think there is going to be some magic slug introduced that is going increase my accuracy results more than a percent or two. Percent or two is just figuredin the shooter so it's in the wash.

By the way you must have some sort of new H&R (probobly new & improved, high-tech,high-speed or something). Ours are called Ultra Slug Hunters (USH), or atleast I think they are.

If you have the time, would you please clarify that for me?

Thanks in advance ;)

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I'm so, so, so sorry! Silly me, I typed Ultra-Slugster, when what I should have typed was Ultra Slug Hunter Deluxe model SB2-988, not SB1-928, or SB2-980, or even SB1-920. What was I thinking? I apparently, couldn't see what i was typing!!!!!!!! What if I had typed Ultra-Slugger, you may have thought I was talking about an ultra-fast, self swinging baseball bat! I hope I clarified it enough!!!

Oh yeah, I opened my wallet wide and spent an extra $30 for the Deluxes laminated stock. But not because I had liked the way it had looked, but because I though it might help me shoot my gun 1-2% better!!!!

Jus-foolllllin around.......

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Rebel Hog my 870 loves them bri's, the only thing i found that shoots good out of this gun hornady sst's.

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Unless they killa deer deader than a plain old cheap assed foster slug I'll save my money for other things. Whizz bang numbers don't kill a deer any deader, and a $5 dollar slug doesn't either. Gawd some people are suckers...

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You thought (and actually believed!) that a laminated stock would help you shoot better?



Ha! Better off having Momma hold yer little hand.

The deluxe does indeed have the "camo laminated" stock and forend but if anything about the deluxe would help anyone shoot better(or more comfortably) it would be thecheckering and longer forend. Whether it be SB 1, SB 2, ABC or EFG.

That's it.I'm done here. Just don't hurt anyone Slugster.

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HERE'S MY OPION IF YOU ARE SHOOTING A SMOOTH BORE SHOTGUN THERE IS NO NEED TO ANYTHING BUT FOSTER TYPE SLUGS. NEWER SHOTGUNS WITH RIFLED BARRELS ARE DESINGED TO SHOOT SABOTS WITH GREATER ACCURACY THAN ANY SB. MY ITHICA 37 DSL 20 SHOOTS LIGTHFIELDS EXCELLENT, BUT I AM GOING TO TRY THE HORNADY SST AT THE RANGE THIS YEAR.

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I have shot over $150 worth of slugs when i sighted in my Rem. 870 WM with a Hastings Paradox 1:34 twist 24" cantilever rifled barrel. mounted up top is a 2 ring mount Aimpoint 9000SC red dot.I did my shooting from a "lead sled" at targets 50 yards away. slugs tested were the following; 3" Rottweil Brenneke golds, 2 3/4" Hornady SST's, 2 3/4" Winchester Partition Golds, 2 3/4" Winchester Platinum Tips, 3" Federal Barnes Expanders, 3" Lightfield ( blue white and red box, i forgot the names), 2 3/4" Rem. Core Lokt Ultras, 3" Rem. copper solids, 3" Rem. Buckhammers.

Out of my setup the buckhammers were hands down the most accurate, shooting 1in. 3 shotclover leaf groups at 50yds, or 2MOA. the brennekes i would say came in second being able to keep all its slugs with in a CD's diameter. the same goes for the rem. copper solids as well, however i would usually get one flyer out of every box of 5. As for the rest, to be honest, they shot HORRIBLE these new high velocity slugs with a premuim price are worthless in my setup! i think is due to my 1:34 twist rate barrel however. If your going to be shooting these newsabots that aremoving at 1700fps and greater, your rifled barrel best have a twist of 1:28!!! Out of my setup these slugs wouldnt group into a 5gal. pail at 50yds, and the SST's, some even completly missed the target!I say screw all the hype and stick to what works. I love the buckhammers, great knock down power, very accurate, and flat shooting out to 150 yds. and a good price. I'll savethe SST's for muzzleloading, its a muzzleloading bullet anyways

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ReDoT, from the results you posted I would bet regular old 2-3/4" Remington Sluggers or Reduced Recoil Sluggers would have faired better than most. Maybe a 3rd, 4th place finish?

Have to ask though - were you cleaning your barrel often and starting each type of slug with a fresh clean & cooled barrel?

Also are not the faster slugs better in rifling which is slower like your Hastings?

When you posted "wouldn't group into a 5 gallon pail", I had to laugh! I can shoot standing with any of my smoothbore pumpsand put fosters into a 5 gal pail at 50 yards.

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I have wondered about the new wave of slugs myself. I don't see the need for the new rapid expanders, ballistic tip, etc. slugs. And I sure dont see the need to charge $2.50 a piece.:DFind one that works, and umm......stay with it.

Anybody who has seen firsthand what the 'old style' fosters will do willget what I'm saying.

I have been wondering since I started on this site how some people can determine the max. range of a smoothbore slug to be 50 yards. Maybe us Illinoisians are just naturally better shooters?;)

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Uncle Matt clears his throatWell, scientifically,that is entirely possible.

As to what the "old-style" foster slugs will do - in all my years of deer hunting I have never shot a deer and said, "Oh darn if only I had a better slug!"

Any of the regular old 20 or 12 gauge foster slugs,properly placedwill kill any deer - no matter what size. I also have seen no great increase in accuracy in the trendy new offerings of sabots that have kept (and will keep) popping up all the time. Trendy slugs for trendy people I guess.

Bet a bag of nickles that there will be at least 1 or 2 "new" & "improved" or "faster" sabots offered before 2008 season rolls around and probobly a couple slug specific guns, too.

"OH! New? Improved? Faster? I gotta get some of that!"

Followed by a bunch of the same old questions..........

What slug should I shoot in my new Kendrick Slug Daddy? Who else bought a new Kendrick Slug Daddy & what do you shoot out of it? What kind of results are you getting? etc.... etc.... etc....

There should be a new forum topic titled........

BEFORE YOU ASK (OK - I'll take the credit now, thank you, thank you )

and the mods could take the most popular/frequently asked questions and post them in there. Such as......

"Should I break-in a new barrel?"

"How to break in a new barrel?"

"What slug/bullet should I use?"

"Is this enough gun for whatever?"

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I have to agree . Actually I have been using foster slugs since I've been hunting and taken alot of deer with them. My 870, smooth bore with rifle sightsprefers the Winchester slugs and my 1187 with a fully rifled barrel topped with a Nikon 2x7x32 Prostaff likes the Remington sluggers. I've taken deer out to 137 yards with my 1187. To be honest I don't want to pissss off our fellow hunters with the comment about us Illinois hunters being a better shot. We've adapted because for years we've only been allowed to hunt with shotguns and smoke poles during the firearm seasons. Handguns have been since added. I'm confident in my foster slugs, get good groups, and am happy the way I shoot with them. I'll keep using them until they quit making them. To each his own.

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yes i did clean the barrel often, after every box (5 rounds), i inspected the barrel. it was spotless everytime with the exeption of the brennekes, they foul the barrel with leadBAD.dont get me wrong tho, they are great slugs.. i did also forget to add, i had an OLD box of the 3" federal "HI SHOK" foster slugs, they were acceptable. grouping slightly less than the brennekes and copper solids

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but i do agree with you guys, fosters work great too, I can shoot them fairly accurately out to 70-75yds with rifle sights from a smoothbore, past that i wouldnt take a shot at a deer however. i do like full bore bullets over the smaller saboted ones too, thats also why i like the buckhammer, itssabot is mostlybehindthe slug and stays attached acting like a badmittn bird, it really doesnt matter i guess, it works for me! as far as what i said about the 5gal bucket. i dont care how good of a shot you are, if you dont correctly stablize a bullet, it will tumble and be WAY of target. also, in general, faster velocities require FAST twist rates, thats why my .223 the twist is 1:9. and illinois isnt alone in the shotgun only zone, i hunt 500 acresin south western MN and its been shotgun/muzzleloader only for all the 13 years ive hunted

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JOKING!!!!!!!!:D

I think I was just mainly adding that part into reference to the crowd that calls 50 yards the max range of ANY foster/smoothbore combo.:DI cant help but wonder if some of those replies come from guys who have never used them. If you ask any seasoned hunter from ANY shotgun only area and you get responses that sometimes double the '50 yard max.'

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I think that it's likely that many of the 50 yard foster club are using a BB sighted shot barrel - not a rifled sight smooth bore slugbarrel that usually comes in the combo packages that are quite popular.

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i dont know if you guys were refering to me or not but i stated i sighted my gun in at 50 yards, not once did i stated that its the max range. when sighting in, i dont start at 100 yards, it would cost 20,30,50 dolla just to start getting holes in the paper! anyone who spends some time behind the trigger knows this.but for what its worth, i set my zero at 50 yards anyways, most all my shots at deerare under 75 yards anyways do to the terrain that i hunt.just because a friend of a friend that you know shot a running buck at 150yards or what ever distance, doesnt make it a justifiable shot. i mean, you couldsteer your car with your feet if you wanted too, but it doesnt make it a good idea. in my books the best hunters are the ones who shoot the least, and the one who take the longer shots tend to shoot the most! in my 13 years of slug hunting i have never missed a deer i shot at, and of those deer, all went down with one slug, with the exception of 1 deer that took 2.

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I don't think anyone was referring to you REDdot. It is very common for folks to say that 50 is it for fosters.

By the way....Where do you slug hunt for deer? (state & county)

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i hunt about 500acre (roughly 160acre tillable farmland) in kandiyohicountyMN, it has about 40-50 acres of woods, alongthe lake shore oflake kandiyohi, also there are slu's with thick cat tails (deer love these for beds!)all around the shore line, following the lake shore, and dry grassland between the slu and farmland. i love hunting there!

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My Browning BPS loves the new Hornady SST slugs... getting 2" groups at 100yds.. and I bought a few (10)boxes last year on sale for $6 a box. I've taken 2 bucks with them soo far... one at 110yds and one at 80 yds..the 1st deerfell within 10 yds (110 yd shot).. and the 2nd one shot in the shoulder (80yd shot).. which shattered both shoulders.. ended up in bottom of the ravine between where I was and where he was when I shot.. hit the ground immediately.. then tried to get up 3-4 times before he expired in the bottom of the ravine.