Your Thoughts on High Fenced Hunting
03-02-2007, 07:29 AM
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RE: Your Thoughts on High Fenced Hunting
They still have 10- 50 acre shooting pens? That is disgusting. I would think that would definitely be outlawed!
The places I 've hunted that were high-fenced were thousands of acres. That is definitely not easy. But thanks for the feed-back. I realize this topic can spark some heated debates!
The places I 've hunted that were high-fenced were thousands of acres. That is definitely not easy. But thanks for the feed-back. I realize this topic can spark some heated debates!
03-02-2007, 07:50 AM
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Spike
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RE: Your Thoughts on High Fenced Hunting
Have to agree with Skeeter.
High fence (and especially + feeder) = FARMER.
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High fence (and especially + feeder) = FARMER.
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03-02-2007, 08:20 AM
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RE: Your Thoughts on High Fenced Hunting
Hmmm...As of now, I disagree, and I say that because my idea of high fence hunting is animals killed in a really small space with little room. I have no real knowledge of the practice, so basically I am ignorantto it.
While I disagree, because of my ignorance, I still believe wholeheartedly that we all MUST support those who do hunt in and run those opperations. We CANNOT give PETA and the like more ammunition against us. They LOVE to see us fighting amongst ourselves. As my momma always said, if you can't say something nice, then don't say anything at all.
One other thing...if those operations include traquilizing the animals so a person can get a shot...hang 'em all by their toenails!! Then, report them to the authorities.
While I disagree, because of my ignorance, I still believe wholeheartedly that we all MUST support those who do hunt in and run those opperations. We CANNOT give PETA and the like more ammunition against us. They LOVE to see us fighting amongst ourselves. As my momma always said, if you can't say something nice, then don't say anything at all.
One other thing...if those operations include traquilizing the animals so a person can get a shot...hang 'em all by their toenails!! Then, report them to the authorities.
03-02-2007, 09:45 AM
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RE: Your Thoughts on High Fenced Hunting
I've always wondered that if large parcels(1,000's of acres) are supposedly just as challenging as free range hunts to the point of the fence being irrelevant, why even have the fence at all?
03-02-2007, 10:07 AM
#25
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RE: Your Thoughts on High Fenced Hunting
I just don't see the point.
On one hand, I'd say it's okay to fence off a chunk of ground, but only if it's large enough to permit the animals a wide enough range to feed/escape/isolate themselves, just as they would if they were free-ranging. I've read a recent studywhich proved via radio collaring that whitetails can easilyrange over eight miles (as the crow flies)in any given year. So, to preservetheir ability to roam as if they're unencumbered, let's just say that you'd need a circle with an eight-mile diameter.
Area(square miles)=3.14(r)squared. (R=4 miles)
Area = 50.24 square miles
At 640 acres per square mile, we're looking at an enclosure that encompasses 32,150+ acres.
Circumferenc=3.14(diameter)
Circumference=25 Miles of fence.
That's a big fence, so big that it would be impossible to maintain, and would surely have gaps for roadways, where the deer can just walk rightout anyway. I guess if you have the wherewithal financially to run that kind of operation, have at it.
On the other hand, what the hell is the point of installing an enclosure toprevent the animals from free ranging, when you're trying to preserve their ability to be free ranging? If it's just because you're afraid that the neighbor is a better hunter, or has more attractive food sources and is more likely to kill the deer, then in my opinion, that's not a very valid reason either. Putting up a fence to make up for your shortcomings as a hunter/land manager is not something that I would advocate either.
Some people are into fences. I just don't see the point.
On one hand, I'd say it's okay to fence off a chunk of ground, but only if it's large enough to permit the animals a wide enough range to feed/escape/isolate themselves, just as they would if they were free-ranging. I've read a recent studywhich proved via radio collaring that whitetails can easilyrange over eight miles (as the crow flies)in any given year. So, to preservetheir ability to roam as if they're unencumbered, let's just say that you'd need a circle with an eight-mile diameter.
Area(square miles)=3.14(r)squared. (R=4 miles)
Area = 50.24 square miles
At 640 acres per square mile, we're looking at an enclosure that encompasses 32,150+ acres.
Circumferenc=3.14(diameter)
Circumference=25 Miles of fence.
That's a big fence, so big that it would be impossible to maintain, and would surely have gaps for roadways, where the deer can just walk rightout anyway. I guess if you have the wherewithal financially to run that kind of operation, have at it.
On the other hand, what the hell is the point of installing an enclosure toprevent the animals from free ranging, when you're trying to preserve their ability to be free ranging? If it's just because you're afraid that the neighbor is a better hunter, or has more attractive food sources and is more likely to kill the deer, then in my opinion, that's not a very valid reason either. Putting up a fence to make up for your shortcomings as a hunter/land manager is not something that I would advocate either.
Some people are into fences. I just don't see the point.
03-02-2007, 11:13 AM
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RE: Your Thoughts on High Fenced Hunting
ORIGINAL: WILKESFASTJAY
Uncle matt said it best i totaly agree, I also think the record books ( p&y b&c) should state if the animal was free range or penn raised!!!!
Have to agree with Skeeter.
High fence (and especially + feeder) = FARMER.
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Uncle Matt (in IL)
High fence (and especially + feeder) = FARMER.
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Uncle Matt (in IL)
From: Boone & Crockett
FAIR CHASE STATEMENT
FAIR CHASE, as defined by the Boone and Crockett Club, is the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit and taking of any free-ranging wild, native North American big game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper advantage over such animals.
FAIR CHASE, as defined by the Boone and Crockett Club, is the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit and taking of any free-ranging wild, native North American big game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper advantage over such animals.
Fair Chase
From its beginnings, the Club has grown to epitomize fair chase and sportsmanship in hunting. This fair chase philosophy reaches to the very foundations of the hunting spirit; it remains a dominant factor in the personal hunting ethic of every responsible individual; it is key to bowhunting's future with deep roots in America's hunting heritage. Simply defined, fair chase is the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit of free-ranging wild game animals in a manner which does not give the hunter an improper or unfair advantage over the animal. It does, however, extend beyond the hunt itself; it is an attitude and a way of life based in a deep-seated respect for wildlife, for the environment, and for other individuals who share the bounty of this vast continent's natural resources.
The term "Fair Chase" shall not include the taking of animals under the following conditions:
[ol][*]Helpless in a trap, deep snow or water, or on ice. [*]From any power vehicle or power boat. [*]By "jacklighting" or shining at night. [*]By the use of any tranquilizers or poisons. [*]While inside escape-proof fenced enclosures. [*]By the use of any power vehicles or power boats for herding or driving animals, including use of aircraft to land alongside or to communicate with or direct a hunter on the ground. [*]By the use of electronic devices for attracting, locating, or pursuing game or guiding the hunter to such game, or by the use of a bow or arrow to which any electronic device is attached. [*]Any other condition considered by the Board of Directors as unacceptable
From its beginnings, the Club has grown to epitomize fair chase and sportsmanship in hunting. This fair chase philosophy reaches to the very foundations of the hunting spirit; it remains a dominant factor in the personal hunting ethic of every responsible individual; it is key to bowhunting's future with deep roots in America's hunting heritage. Simply defined, fair chase is the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit of free-ranging wild game animals in a manner which does not give the hunter an improper or unfair advantage over the animal. It does, however, extend beyond the hunt itself; it is an attitude and a way of life based in a deep-seated respect for wildlife, for the environment, and for other individuals who share the bounty of this vast continent's natural resources.
The term "Fair Chase" shall not include the taking of animals under the following conditions:
[ol][*]Helpless in a trap, deep snow or water, or on ice. [*]From any power vehicle or power boat. [*]By "jacklighting" or shining at night. [*]By the use of any tranquilizers or poisons. [*]While inside escape-proof fenced enclosures. [*]By the use of any power vehicles or power boats for herding or driving animals, including use of aircraft to land alongside or to communicate with or direct a hunter on the ground. [*]By the use of electronic devices for attracting, locating, or pursuing game or guiding the hunter to such game, or by the use of a bow or arrow to which any electronic device is attached. [*]Any other condition considered by the Board of Directors as unacceptable
03-02-2007, 12:13 PM
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Spike
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RE: Your Thoughts on High Fenced Hunting
Hunting a small fenced area is like fishing a stocked trout pond. And just like there are people that would fish in such pond,,,,there are people that would hunt fenced area. And if that is what they wanna do,,,go for it.
03-02-2007, 12:54 PM
#28
Spike
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RE: Your Thoughts on High Fenced Hunting
[quote]
From: Boone & Crockett
quote:
FAIR CHASE STATEMENT
FAIR CHASE, as defined by the Boone and Crockett Club, is the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit and taking of any free-ranging wild, native North American big game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper advantage over such animals.
From: Pope & Young
quote:
Fair Chase
From its beginnings, the Club has grown to epitomize fair chase and sportsmanship in hunting. This fair chase philosophy reaches to the very foundations of the hunting spirit; it remains a dominant factor in the personal hunting ethic of every responsible individual; it is key to bowhunting's future with deep roots in America's hunting heritage. Simply defined, fair chase is the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit of free-ranging wild game animals in a manner which does not give the hunter an improper or unfair advantage over the animal. It does, however, extend beyond the hunt itself; it is an attitude and a way of life based in a deep-seated respect for wildlife, for the environment, and for other individuals who share the bounty of this vast continent's natural resources.
The term "Fair Chase" shall not include the taking of animals under the following conditions:
1. Helpless in a trap, deep snow or water, or on ice.
2. From any power vehicle or power boat.
3. By "jacklighting" or shining at night.
4. By the use of any tranquilizers or poisons.
5. While inside escape-proof fenced enclosures.
6. By the use of any power vehicles or power boats for herding or driving animals, including use of aircraft to land alongside or to communicate with or direct a hunter on the ground.
7. By the use of electronic devices for attracting, locating, or pursuing game or guiding the hunter to such game, or by the use of a bow or arrow to which any electronic device is attached.
8. Any other condition considered by the Board of Directors as unacceptable
Thanks skeeter i did not know that please excuse my ignorance.
From: Boone & Crockett
quote:
FAIR CHASE STATEMENT
FAIR CHASE, as defined by the Boone and Crockett Club, is the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit and taking of any free-ranging wild, native North American big game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper advantage over such animals.
From: Pope & Young
quote:
Fair Chase
From its beginnings, the Club has grown to epitomize fair chase and sportsmanship in hunting. This fair chase philosophy reaches to the very foundations of the hunting spirit; it remains a dominant factor in the personal hunting ethic of every responsible individual; it is key to bowhunting's future with deep roots in America's hunting heritage. Simply defined, fair chase is the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit of free-ranging wild game animals in a manner which does not give the hunter an improper or unfair advantage over the animal. It does, however, extend beyond the hunt itself; it is an attitude and a way of life based in a deep-seated respect for wildlife, for the environment, and for other individuals who share the bounty of this vast continent's natural resources.
The term "Fair Chase" shall not include the taking of animals under the following conditions:
1. Helpless in a trap, deep snow or water, or on ice.
2. From any power vehicle or power boat.
3. By "jacklighting" or shining at night.
4. By the use of any tranquilizers or poisons.
5. While inside escape-proof fenced enclosures.
6. By the use of any power vehicles or power boats for herding or driving animals, including use of aircraft to land alongside or to communicate with or direct a hunter on the ground.
7. By the use of electronic devices for attracting, locating, or pursuing game or guiding the hunter to such game, or by the use of a bow or arrow to which any electronic device is attached.
8. Any other condition considered by the Board of Directors as unacceptable
Thanks skeeter i did not know that please excuse my ignorance.
03-02-2007, 03:07 PM
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RE: Your Thoughts on High Fenced Hunting
Quiksilver,
That is the way I look at it, but I would give it a radius of 8 rather than 4. That would give the deer 8 miles to roam in any direction from the center. I guess it really doesn't matter though, the point is made either way.
One aspect of high fence hunting that I think about a lot, but I don't hear others mentioning it much, is that the "ranch" owner has direct control over natural competition. What I mean by that is that he/she has total control over the number of animals (all animals not just deer) on the property competing for food. In addition they also control any natural predation on the herd. I know that many would disregard this, but if your 200 class buck falls to coyotes when he is a fawn, then he'll never be a 200 class buck.
I do think that high fence hunting requires some degree of hunting skills, but I do not think that it is hunting. I do not currently have the financial means to do high fenced hunt and I am not saying that I wouldn't go if I had the opportunity. To me it is a great feeling to do your own scouting, set up a stand and reap the rewards of your hard work.
That is the way I look at it, but I would give it a radius of 8 rather than 4. That would give the deer 8 miles to roam in any direction from the center. I guess it really doesn't matter though, the point is made either way.
One aspect of high fence hunting that I think about a lot, but I don't hear others mentioning it much, is that the "ranch" owner has direct control over natural competition. What I mean by that is that he/she has total control over the number of animals (all animals not just deer) on the property competing for food. In addition they also control any natural predation on the herd. I know that many would disregard this, but if your 200 class buck falls to coyotes when he is a fawn, then he'll never be a 200 class buck.
I do think that high fence hunting requires some degree of hunting skills, but I do not think that it is hunting. I do not currently have the financial means to do high fenced hunt and I am not saying that I wouldn't go if I had the opportunity. To me it is a great feeling to do your own scouting, set up a stand and reap the rewards of your hard work.