SwampTHING

O.K. guys I need some advice! This was the first year for our new deer camp. We invited a guy who has had problems at other deer camps and thrown out of 1 that I know of, and probably 2.

He was fairly good the whole week, a couple disagreements, 1 was staying out an area that was in between 3 other hunters and we left it alone as a safety factor, well he wanted too hunt it(and probably did). I told him no its a safety factor stay out, he argued with me for a while about it, then I told him to stay out plain and simple you dont like it thats too bad!!

Another time I was going to take the boat too hunt an area of the property thats only accessible by water. He told me no stay out of there, so and so is sitting the run where you park the boat its going to screw him up(this was at noon). I hunted another spot and didnt argue about it. When I came in at night guess who took the boat right where I was going about an hour after I left the camp.

On the last day of hunting we had 3 guys watching pastures that surround a beaver swamp and several slash cuts in the thick cedars. Well he travelled into where the beaver swamp was too watch a dam. About an hour before legal ended he started firing rounds into trees and also took a shot at a grouse(flying), this is with a centrefire rifle. At the time he was no farther than 500 yards from any of the guys who were watching the pastures. I told him shooting at the grouse was crazy, he said no that would have been a hell of a shot!!

I told him he screwed every guy that was watching the pastures, he said no I was trying to push the deer out of the thick stuff and if they didnt come out they werent there! I wasnt about to chirp in my .02 cents at the moment, he was getting hammered by 3 others at the time. But he still wouldnt see his major screw-up.

He is already making plans where he is hanging stands next year, also making plans to go up and vacation in the summer. I have 2 of my good friends(1 of them invited him) I hunt with every year that already said they will not go if he is there. Do I tell him now? should I wait a while? should I give him a second chance? Should I tell the guy who invited him to toss him? I dont mind a couple arguements it always happens at deer camps, but safety is major considerration and I cant afford for him to screwup!

Edited by - swampthing on 11/26/2002 10:25:45

bruce_smith60

First off, who is the lease ramrod/commander? Now we had a similer problem at ours last year.1 member would mess up someones hunt.That someone would get upset and complain, the guy who did the messing up would say" get over it, and quit your whineing" If you messed his hunt up, boy would you get an earfull! He never was responsable for any thing, and caused friction with all the other members. After the season was over, he got a letter from the guy who runs the lease stateing he has 120 days to remove any and all of his stuff, and will not be offered a renewal for this year. You can try something along this line if you have full co-operation from the majority.
Good luck!!!!!

Hurry up and wait.

wimp

Although never faced with that situation, I would check with the others and if its in favor of booting him, either ask the guy who invited him, the 'head' of the camp, or send him a letter that explains why he is booted.

skeeter 7MM

First off boot him now rather than later. It will give him time to find new area and get over the disappointment of being booted yet a 3rd time. If you wait he may just show up to ruin the day. I would say the guy that invited him is the guy that should kick him! I am sure the majority wants him gone so if you desire a letter with all the signatures that would work to be presented to him when approached...but don't mail it to him. Face to face and explain your reasons and safety concerns...maybe he'll get the picture. If your buddy won't do it, then you or someone else do it.

To me safety is number #1, but having a good time is important...guys shooting grouse or trees isn't going to help the good time, safety is being thrown out the window and it will effect the success of the group. Kick this dead beat to the curb NOW!

bruce_smith60

If everyone agrees, take down all his stuff, have it waiting in an pile(do not tear it up)so when he shows up you guys can help him load it up as he gets ready to leave at that same time.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Hurry up and wait.

SugarMtn

Don't reckon I've ever been in a real arguement at deer camp. We harass each other in good fun, drink a beer after the hunt and lie about how many deer we saw. But argueing is not something that happens at my deer camp. This guy sounds like a moron and an unethical hunter, shooting at stuff he has no business shooting at during gun deer season. Toss him now before he does something everyone will regret.

Tazman

swampthing if it was me he would get the boot ASAP! It is one thing to maybe start an argument, but he made way to many unsafe(of course it only takes one to kill someone)mistakes. I would get together with the other members and simply say he goes or I go, do not endanger your own life to allow an idiot to possible kill someone.

The Tazman aka Martin Price
Founder and President of
Virginia Disabled Outdoorsmen Club

Deerhugger11

One word...GONE

You want to have fun with old buddies and people you know. This guy, as far as I'm concerend ruined it for you guys when he pulled all that crap. 1) he made you hunt another area when you were set and wanted to hunt it. Then he goes and hunts it! what a jerk.
2) Shooting all over and taking the shot at the grouse..WTF is he thinking? Deer aren't scared of a gunshot when they are deep in the bush. Does maybe, but not any buck worth taking. He knows that if he stays put he'll be safe. He won't move till the next day now, he's gonna stay put.
3) Arguments have NO PLACE in a deer camp.

You need him out FAST and be prepared with the crap he's gonna try to get even with you guys. He might not do anything. Lay him down easy, doin't be rude. Point out his mistakes in a calm and friendl;y tone of voive. ALL of you must be there, for safety reasons and so he knows where he and you guys stand.

Good Luck.

Jimmy S

I agree with everyone that says there's no time like the present! Safety is the main concern here and he violated what we as hunters believe to be holy and sacred. Next time I saw him I (or the buddy that initially invited him), should tell him....&quot;There's a front door and a back door.....pick one&quot;!!

SW Iowa Hunter

No time like the present. Like someone else said it would be only courtious to do it now and let him have time to find someplace else to hunt. I would say the leader of the camp should tell him. If that is the majority of the people in camp then elect someone to tell him. I don't think you need to rehash old arguments just tell him that you think it would be better if he found someplace else to hunt next year.

If he won't take no for an answer then tell him why.

Make sure he knows this is everyones decision not just the person telling him.

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