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DoctorDeath 11-25-2006 05:30 AM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 

ORIGINAL: NY Bowhunter

WOW DD. Looks like you're up to your old tricks [8D]:D. Some things never change.
NY you should know ....takes a dog to know a dog and your a howling son of a gun :D

and MoHunter I will not even dignify your post with an answere ....

dd

SwampTHING 11-25-2006 06:06 AM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 

ORIGINAL: DoctorDeath


ORIGINAL: James Vee

Am I reading this correct in that you are in the process of hiring, or working with an attorney to see what recourse you have?
James no ... my friend who hunted with me IS an attorney and he is considering what recourse if any to take.

dd

SwampTHING 11-25-2006 06:07 AM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 

ORIGINAL: DoctorDeath


ORIGINAL: James Vee

Am I reading this correct in that you are in the process of hiring, or working with an attorney to see what recourse you have?
James no ... my friend who hunted with me IS an attorney and he is considering what recourse if any to take.

dd
What if anything can be done,, you stayed you payed.. Sorry but you arent getting a dime back!

SwampTHING 11-25-2006 06:08 AM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 

ORIGINAL: DoctorDeath

I had to make my trip to Alberta witout my rifle because when I arrived at the airport I could not find the key to my rifle case and they would not allow my rifle on the plane unless it was locked ...so I called Don (the outfitter) from Nashville before I flew out and told him ...he said he would have a rifle available for me when I arrived
dd
Question,, did you fill out formJUS 715EFand have it approved before you left the U.S? If no,, what you did was illegal!

"The Application for a Non-Resident Temporary Borrowing Licence for Non-Restricted Firearms (Form JUS 715 EF) must be submitted and approved ahead of time by the Chief Firearms Officer of the province where you intend to borrow the firearm(s)."

DoctorDeath 11-25-2006 06:47 AM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 
Swamp this is not our first rodeo ...yes the form was filled out and faxed in to Canadian Customs90 days prior to leaving along with the $50.00 US that THEY require... thank you for your consultation I will be sure to foward it to my hunting buddy.

dd

DoctorDeath 11-25-2006 06:50 AM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 

ORIGINAL: SwampTHING


ORIGINAL: DoctorDeath


ORIGINAL: James Vee

Am I reading this correct in that you are in the process of hiring, or working with an attorney to see what recourse you have?
James no ... my friend who hunted with me IS an attorney and he is considering what recourse if any to take.

dd
What if anything can be done,, you stayed you payed.. Sorry but you arent getting a dime back!
I am glad most Canadians I have met do not have YOUR attitude ...We do not want anything back that we do not deserve unlike some.

dd

CamoCop 11-25-2006 06:51 AM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 
why does it seem everyone is against DD?

DoctorDeath 11-25-2006 06:53 AM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 

ORIGINAL: CamoCop

why does it seem everyone is against DD?
CC not "everyone" ...just the ones that obviously cant read...but thank you ole buddy.

dd

SwampTHING 11-25-2006 07:03 AM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 

ORIGINAL: DoctorDeath

Swamp this is not our first rodeo ...yes the form was filled out and faxed in to Canadian Customs90 days prior to leaving along with the $50.00 US that THEY require...

dd
You may have payed the $25 a person too registerYOUR guns at customs... But I highly doubt you Contacted the Chief Firearms Officer of Albertato geta NON-RESIDENT TEMPORARY BORROWING LICENCE!

Has NOTHING to do with Canada Customs,, it deals directly with the Chief Firearms officer ofAlberta, andCANADIAN FIREARMS CENTREin Miramachi NB. The fee is $30 for this licence.

Geez,,, a Canadian living in Canada,, and knowing the firearms regulations just won this rodeo!

click this link, scroll half way down! stop and read section on Firarms borrowed in Canada.
http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/info_for-renseignement/factsheets/visitin_e.asp

CamoCop 11-25-2006 07:10 AM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 
why jump on DD in reference to "checking" his gun(s) in anyway? that had nothing to do with the topic. he admitted to losing the key himself and was not blaming the outfitter or Canada for this.

DoctorDeath 11-25-2006 07:17 AM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 

ORIGINAL: SwampTHING


ORIGINAL: DoctorDeath

Swamp this is not our first rodeo ...yes the form was filled out and faxed in to Canadian Customs90 days prior to leaving along with the $50.00 US that THEY require...

dd
You may have payed the $25 a person too registerYOUR guns at customs... But I highly doubt you Contacted the Chief Firearms Officer of Albertato geta NON-RESIDENT TEMPORARY BORROWING LICENCE!

Has NOTHING to do with Canada Customs,, it deals directly with the Chief Firearms officer ofAlberta, andCANADIAN FIREARMS CENTREin Miramachi NB. The fee is $30 for this licence.

Geez,,, a Canadian living in Canada,, and knowing the firearms regulations just won this rodeo!

click this link, scroll half way down! stop and read section on Firarms borrowed in Canada.
http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/info_for-renseignement/factsheets/visitin_e.asp
LOL Samp .... our hunting contract states that ALL tags and licenses are included ...CHECK MATE !

dd

jamiebuck 11-25-2006 07:29 AM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 
sorry DD, about your bad hunt u fiqure you were a repeat customer ,he would try everthing to make your hunt injoyable,and put alittle effort in for you and your friend.then 100.00 for the gun ,i would of said are you kidding me,glad to see you back :)

hardcorehunter 11-25-2006 07:39 AM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 
There are huge whitetails right here in the midwest on thousands of acres of public land. No way would I pay an outfitter to take me deer hunting. Too many trophys right here. IA has more Boone and Crocket bucks in the record books than anywhere in the nation. Should have kept your money in Americans' wallets and hired an American outfitter, drove yourself to the hunt so that you can bring your firearm and meat home with you and not be a slave to the worthless, emptying your pockets, losing all of your civil rightsairports.
MOM/WSWD on this forum has a guiding service in MO that hasworld class bucks on their farm. They offfer free chase hunts with rifle or bow.

Any way, that is why they call it hunting and not shooting.I personally would have brought my own stand and hunted where I wanted according to the wind and sign. There was a lot of snow; should have been easy to scout for sign and get setup in some good travel routes, funnels, between feeding and bedding areas.

diamondaranch 11-25-2006 07:45 AM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 
"You may have payed the $25 a person too registerYOUR guns at customs... But I highly doubt you Contacted the Chief Firearms Officer of Albertato geta NON-RESIDENT TEMPORARY BORROWING LICENCE! "

Now I believe I have heard everything. A "temporary" license to "borrow" a rifle? It seems the Canadian Gov. is going to make a "dime"on just aboutanythingyou do.

Hope you didnt take a leak out of your stand without a "license".

best of luck


SwampTHING 11-25-2006 07:52 AM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 

ORIGINAL: DoctorDeath

LOL Samp .... our hunting contract states that ALL tags and licenses are included ...CHECK MATE !

dd
Your contract with a guide may have included all hunting lic's and tags for hunting.. You just stated you sent the moneyto Canada Customs for yourregistration permits,, so it didnt include all lic's..It also has nothing to do with a licence to be able to possess a borrowed firearm while in Canada... what you did was illegal if you didnt have a"Non-resident Temporary Firearms Borrowing" lic..

But Ill play Devils advocate a little bit more,, lets say it did cover that cost and you had the Non-resident temporary firearms borrowinglic(which I very highly doubt you had).. How is that guide is going to do any scouting or even push bush,, it clearly states thatYOU must be:
[*]hunting under the supervision of an outfitter or other person authorized to organize hunting services in Canada;

Now if this is the case,,, which you say it is.... He had too sitin that truck and watch you all day long,, because you didnt bring your own firearm, and he had too directly watch you with a borrowed firearm! So I would say if this is the case,, which you say it is...He was being a great outfitter by keeping youLEGAL while hunting!





DoctorDeath 11-25-2006 07:59 AM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 

ORIGINAL: jamiebuck

sorry DD, about your bad hunt u fiqure you were a repeat customer ,he would try everthing to make your hunt injoyable,and put alittle effort in for you and your friend.then 100.00 for the gun ,i would of said are you kidding me,glad to see you back :)
Thank you Jammie but being a repeat customer or not any customer deserves to get a 100% effort ...as for the rent on the rifle that was mostly my fault but I do think it was unreasonable after what I paid for the hunt but to each his own ....

dd

DoctorDeath 11-25-2006 08:05 AM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 

ORIGINAL: SwampTHING


ORIGINAL: DoctorDeath

LOL Samp .... our hunting contract states that ALL tags and licenses are included ...CHECK MATE !

dd
Your contract with a guide may have included all hunting lic's and tags for hunting.. You just stated you sent the moneyto Canada Customs for yourregistration permits,, so it didnt include all lic's..It also has nothing to do with a licence to be able to possess a borrowed firearm while in Canada... what you did was illegal if you didnt have a"Non-resident Temporary Firearms Borrowing" lic..

But Ill play Devils advocate a little bit more,, lets say it did cover that cost and you had the Non-resident temporary firearms borrowinglic(which I very highly doubt you had).. How is that guide is going to do any scouting or even push bush,, it clearly states thatYOU must be:[*]hunting under the supervision of an outfitter or other person authorized to organize hunting services in Canada;

Now if this is the case,,, which you say it is.... He had too sitin that truck and watch you all day long,, because you didnt bring your own firearm, and he had too directly watch you with a borrowed firearm! So I would say if this is the case,, which you say it is...He was being a great outfitter by keeping youLEGAL while hunting!




You know Swamp Imnot going to get in a pissing battle with you on herebecause I could really care less about what you think but I will say this...when I arrived in Canada and went through customs they found it odd that I was there for a hunt without a rifle and sent me into the customs office for questioning ...after explaining what had happend the customs officer himself suggested I borrow a rifle from my outfitterand did not advise me to any additionalform needing to be filled out ...now Im done with you

dd

James Vee 11-25-2006 05:14 PM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 
Sue happy...perhaps?

Jimimac 11-26-2006 06:03 AM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 
Just ate a big bowl of Golden Grahams catching up on this little soap opera.

James Vee 11-26-2006 09:28 AM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 
I just had to get reply #100 on this one.

DoctorDeath 11-26-2006 10:13 AM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 

ORIGINAL: James Vee

I just had to get reply #100 on this one.
LOL Jimmie when I started this theead I never dreamed it would last this long or get this mucj attention ...seem like when the good Doctor makes a post it draws a lot of responce ...good and bad ...but thats what this forum is all about ...discussion.

dd

BCGamer 11-26-2006 10:17 AM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 
Hey Doc, come to British Columbia next year for a hunt. Mmmmm, Moose.

[:@]Sorry to hear about the crappy hunt, especially after shelling out all that "doe".

zrexpilot 11-26-2006 12:39 PM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 

ORIGINAL: DoctorDeath

LOL Jimmie when I started this theead I never dreamed it would last this long or get this mucj attention ...seem like when the good Doctor makes a post it draws a lot of responce ...good and bad ...but thats what this forum is all about ...discussion.

dd
ya you seem to have a knack for starting very controversial threads.
But this is a discussion forum, and if you start a thread be ready. No telling where it will go. Take it with a grain of salt, and wear your flame suit. Or you wont last.


DoctorDeath 11-26-2006 03:41 PM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 

ORIGINAL: zrexpilot


ORIGINAL: DoctorDeath

LOL Jimmie when I started this theead I never dreamed it would last this long or get this mucj attention ...seem like when the good Doctor makes a post it draws a lot of responce ...good and bad ...but thats what this forum is all about ...discussion.

dd
ya you seem to have a knack for starting very controversial threads.
But this is a discussion forum, and if you start a thread be ready. No telling where it will go. Take it with a grain of salt, and wear your flame suit. Or you wont last.

You know Zrex the sad part about your statement is that your right ... I dont think this forum was set up to be a bashing forum ...sometimes its like Romper Roomor the play ground in elementry school ...I always felt that this was a place to have a little fun but mostly to help to inform our brother hunters...share ideas... to help ...to be of assistance

dd

Serioushunter1 11-26-2006 03:46 PM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 
Hope ya have better luck here in the Bluegrass DD.

C. Davis 11-26-2006 04:48 PM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 
Just curious DD, what kind of rifle did they give you to use?

C. Davis

BowHuntingFool 11-26-2006 04:59 PM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 
I'm curious as too why the outfitter would let you go in the woods without sighting in or even shooting the borrowed rifle??? I would of insisted on shooting the gun at least a few times! Better luck next time!

DoctorDeath 11-26-2006 05:43 PM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 

ORIGINAL: BowHuntingFool

I'm curious as too why the outfitter would let you go in the woods without sighting in or even shooting the borrowed rifle??? I would of insisted on shooting the gun at least a few times! Better luck next time!
C Davis the rifle I rented was a Winchester Ultralite in a 270

BHF we arrived on Sunday afternoon and drove to where we would be staying in Edmonton ...from there it is about 45 miles to where we hunt and with the road iced over in certian places he just felt we did not have enough time to get there to zero in before dark .... I would obviously had prefered shooting a few rounds but he had the keys and the truck.... I suppose I could have insisted on shooting the rifle during the middle of the day but I would have had to hiked out about a mile is knee deep snow then back again for the evening hunt ... he told me he had used it earlier in the month to shoot beavers so I beleived it to be on ...as it turned out it was dead on from right to left but 7 to 8 inches high at 100 yards ...as it turned out I didnt even NEED a rifle LOL ...



dd

BowHuntingFool 11-26-2006 06:08 PM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 
I guess its a good thing you didn't see a monster since the gun was shooting high! Then you'd really be pissed! Better luck next time!lol

DoctorDeath 11-26-2006 06:36 PM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 

ORIGINAL: Serioushunter1

Hope ya have better luck here in the Bluegrass DD.
Thank you SH .... if I have any luck at all it would HAVE TO BE better LOL ...

dd

C. Davis 11-26-2006 09:23 PM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 

ORIGINAL: DoctorDeath


ORIGINAL: BowHuntingFool

I'm curious as too why the outfitter would let you go in the woods without sighting in or even shooting the borrowed rifle??? I would of insisted on shooting the gun at least a few times! Better luck next time!
C Davis the rifle I rented was a Winchester Ultralite in a 270

BHF we arrived on Sunday afternoon and drove to where we would be staying in Edmonton ...from there it is about 45 miles to where we hunt and with the road iced over in certian places he just felt we did not have enough time to get there to zero in before dark .... I would obviously had prefered shooting a few rounds but he had the keys and the truck.... I suppose I could have insisted on shooting the rifle during the middle of the day but I would have had to hiked out about a mile is knee deep snow then back again for the evening hunt ... he told me he had used it earlier in the month to shoot beavers so I beleived it to be on ...as it turned out it was dead on from right to left but 7 to 8 inches high at 100 yards ...as it turned out I didnt even NEED a rifle LOL ...



dd

Man, a .270 is some serious beaver medicine. They must also have some trophy beavers in Canada.

C. Davis

mohunter09 11-26-2006 09:30 PM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 
You think a .270 is a varmint gun? A .270 will blow a 4inch diameter hole in a deer, im sure it would kill elk and moose, so imsure it would take that trophy buck...have you ever shot one C.Davis

C. Davis 11-26-2006 09:36 PM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 

ORIGINAL: mohunter09

You think a .270 is a varmint gun? A .270 will blow a 4inch diameter hole in a deer, im sure it would kill elk and moose, so imsure it would take that trophy buck...have you ever shot one C.Davis
I have shot two deer with the .270 I own. I don't think it is a varmint gun, but DD's guide must think it is because he is the one who supposedlyused it to hunt beavers before he gave it to DD. Read his post.

C. Davis

mohunter09 11-26-2006 09:52 PM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 
Oh, ok didn't see that, I tend to see what I want.

C. Davis 11-27-2006 06:26 AM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 

ORIGINAL: mohunter09

Oh, ok didn't see that, I tend to see what I want.
No problem Mo. I too found it a little odd that his guide picked a .270 for beavers. 7 inches high at a hundred yardswould probably give you a perfect head shot at normal beaver range.:D

C. Davis

DoctorDeath 11-27-2006 07:19 AM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 

ORIGINAL: C. Davis


ORIGINAL: mohunter09

Oh, ok didn't see that, I tend to see what I want.
No problem Mo. I too found it a little odd that his guide picked a .270 for beavers. 7 inches high at a hundred yardswould probably give you a perfect head shot at normal beaver range.:D

C. Davis
Well like everything else the Canadian's brag about they say they have Boone and Crockett Beavers LOL ...wjo knows??

dd

_Dan 11-27-2006 08:06 AM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 

ORIGINAL: DoctorDeath


ORIGINAL: SwampTHING


ORIGINAL: DoctorDeath

LOL Samp .... our hunting contract states that ALL tags and licenses are included ...CHECK MATE !

dd
Your contract with a guide may have included all hunting lic's and tags for hunting.. You just stated you sent the moneyto Canada Customs for yourregistration permits,, so it didnt include all lic's..It also has nothing to do with a licence to be able to possess a borrowed firearm while in Canada... what you did was illegal if you didnt have a"Non-resident Temporary Firearms Borrowing" lic..

But Ill play Devils advocate a little bit more,, lets say it did cover that cost and you had the Non-resident temporary firearms borrowinglic(which I very highly doubt you had).. How is that guide is going to do any scouting or even push bush,, it clearly states thatYOU must be:[*]hunting under the supervision of an outfitter or other person authorized to organize hunting services in Canada;

Now if this is the case,,, which you say it is.... He had too sitin that truck and watch you all day long,, because you didnt bring your own firearm, and he had too directly watch you with a borrowed firearm! So I would say if this is the case,, which you say it is...He was being a great outfitter by keeping youLEGAL while hunting!




You know Swamp Imnot going to get in a pissing battle with you on herebecause I could really care less about what you think but I will say this...when I arrived in Canada and went through customs they found it odd that I was there for a hunt without a rifle and sent me into the customs office for questioning ...after explaining what had happend the customs officer himself suggested I borrow a rifle from my outfitterand did not advise me to any additionalform needing to be filled out ...now Im done with you

dd

DD,sorry to hear about the bad experience with the outfitter, that sucks.

But I do have to agree with SwampThing that what you did in borrowing the gun and not having the proper forms was illegal. If you would have been stopped and checked, you would have been in a world of trouble. No matter if the customs/immigration official told you nothing about the permit. Like they say, ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Anyways, better luck on your next trip!

ShatoDavis 11-27-2006 08:11 AM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 
Dan,

Don't try to use common sense with him. Its a fruitless proposition. I mean the guy shot at his decoy while hunting and can't figure why he didn't see many deer.:eek:

_Dan 11-27-2006 08:39 AM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 

ORIGINAL: ShatoDavis

Dan,

Don't try to use common sense with him. Its a fruitless proposition. I mean the guy shot at his decoy while hunting and can't figure why he didn't see many deer.:eek:
Actually Shato, I wasn't trying to be an arse like you were. I was just stating a point and letting him know that what he did was illegal so he or someone else who reads this doesn't make the same mistake.



DoctorDeath 11-27-2006 12:26 PM

RE: I'm Back from Alberta
 

ORIGINAL: ShatoDavis

Dan,

Don't try to use common sense with him. Its a fruitless proposition. I mean the guy shot at his decoy while hunting and can't figure why he didn't see many deer.:eek:
Shoto your absolutly right ...I have no common sense..just a dumb ole redneck from Alabama...and am sure I can not match wits with a guy as sharp as you are...Im sure you must have your own tv show with the plethora of knowledge that you have ..I will make sure that in the future to confer with you before making a move in the woods.

dd


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