near trespasing
11-14-2006 | 09:37 AM
#41
Nontypical Buck
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From: Upstate New York
RE: near trespasing
ORIGINAL: ShatoDavis
Well,
I'm really going to piss some folks off. I'm a landowner so I speak from experience. You have no right to say or do anything kid. Not only that your thinking is totally wrong.
First its not you land its your grandpa's. Its not your place to say or do anything, its his. Secondly, you don't own the deer. and you can't look at the money you've spent as an investment. Deer roam (unless they are in high fence). Deer jump fence lines. You can plant your grandpa's whole farm up in Mossy Oak Biologic and it doesn't make that 200 inch buck that feeds there anymore yours than the man in the moon.
Whatever happened to being neighborly. Heck, at my farm we had gentlemanly agreements with all of our neighbors about hunting. We agree that if we saw a deer on the other side of a fence we could shoot it. Also, if a turkey we were calling was across the fence we could cross it to get the kill. During small game season we would swing by each other house and ask if it was all right to hunt a certain patch out. The answer was inevitably yes.
Then some @$$hole bought 80 acres bordering me. Now this jerk thought that his 80 acres was off limits and no one should even look across his fence. Your talking about 80 acres bordering folks with 1000+ on all sides. Hell, he spent more time running fences during season than hunting. He'd here a shot and take off towards it to make sure that it wasn't on him. A class a jerk!
I bordered him on two sides of his 80. I have a terrific stand on the corner. its aprox. 20 yards from his fence. Its the perfect "pinch" between fields and large white oaks. I've hunted that stand for years prior to him showing up. I showed up to my stand opening morning a few years ago to find my steps pulled out of the tree and what appeared to be Tide poured on the platform. Now thats downright dirty. I was super pissed. If I would have met up with him that day I probably would have spent the night in the pokey for assault.
But, alas he had a heart attack from all his worrying and the world is a better place now. What I'm saying is get along with your neighbors and chill out a little. The guy isn't going to hurt anything. So what if he kills a super buck right there. You may get a nicer one the next day. Live and let live. So what if he shoots the thing ten yards on your side of the fence. What if you saw a huge buck on his side of the fence? Would you honestly pass up a Boone & Crocket buck because it was 30 feet past your boundary? Or would you shoot it hoping it jumped the fence or that you could drag it to your side before someone else found you? I think I already know the answer.
Well,
I'm really going to piss some folks off. I'm a landowner so I speak from experience. You have no right to say or do anything kid. Not only that your thinking is totally wrong.
First its not you land its your grandpa's. Its not your place to say or do anything, its his. Secondly, you don't own the deer. and you can't look at the money you've spent as an investment. Deer roam (unless they are in high fence). Deer jump fence lines. You can plant your grandpa's whole farm up in Mossy Oak Biologic and it doesn't make that 200 inch buck that feeds there anymore yours than the man in the moon.
Whatever happened to being neighborly. Heck, at my farm we had gentlemanly agreements with all of our neighbors about hunting. We agree that if we saw a deer on the other side of a fence we could shoot it. Also, if a turkey we were calling was across the fence we could cross it to get the kill. During small game season we would swing by each other house and ask if it was all right to hunt a certain patch out. The answer was inevitably yes.
Then some @$$hole bought 80 acres bordering me. Now this jerk thought that his 80 acres was off limits and no one should even look across his fence. Your talking about 80 acres bordering folks with 1000+ on all sides. Hell, he spent more time running fences during season than hunting. He'd here a shot and take off towards it to make sure that it wasn't on him. A class a jerk!
I bordered him on two sides of his 80. I have a terrific stand on the corner. its aprox. 20 yards from his fence. Its the perfect "pinch" between fields and large white oaks. I've hunted that stand for years prior to him showing up. I showed up to my stand opening morning a few years ago to find my steps pulled out of the tree and what appeared to be Tide poured on the platform. Now thats downright dirty. I was super pissed. If I would have met up with him that day I probably would have spent the night in the pokey for assault.
But, alas he had a heart attack from all his worrying and the world is a better place now. What I'm saying is get along with your neighbors and chill out a little. The guy isn't going to hurt anything. So what if he kills a super buck right there. You may get a nicer one the next day. Live and let live. So what if he shoots the thing ten yards on your side of the fence. What if you saw a huge buck on his side of the fence? Would you honestly pass up a Boone & Crocket buck because it was 30 feet past your boundary? Or would you shoot it hoping it jumped the fence or that you could drag it to your side before someone else found you? I think I already know the answer.
11-14-2006 | 02:08 PM
#43
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From: georgia
RE: near trespasing
ORIGINAL: Sylvan
O.K. even though I said I was done talking to you, that last line of bs just has to have a response...
No sir, based on your own words...
You said the stand was "located very similar to the one described here".Since I am dealing with a modern day pharisee, let's get real technical to clear the air further for those who are sensible--which isn't you Sylvan. The key word here is located, not type of stand--the first wrong assumption you made--and I already pointed that out, which again you assumed wrongly about.Well the stand described here was "a ladder stand on the other side of the fence not 10 feet from my grandpaws property facing my grandpaws property".Not 10 feet from the line--hanging on the edge of a creek that is the property line is a very similarinstance--but only to those who aren't so self inflated with ego to think theyknow more than the person involved.So in other words clearly on another property which EVERYBODY recognized and discussed. Not "similar" at all to how you later described it.Not similar to how you imagined it---the very reason I went to great lengths to clarify it--but very similar in location--as I said!
Then when I said that you had crossed the border ( Never said I crossed the border--another one of your assumptions)and moved ( didn't 'move ' the stand--I simply pointed it in the other direction, with a note--wrong assumtion again))the stand you didn't take the obvious tack and correct me and say that you didn't cross the border but you defended what you did by saying a warden gave you the "okay" to do "it".(I wasn't aware that I was in need of going to such great lengths and detail to defend myself against false accusations about trespassing--I had my actual statements and experience as a reference, while you are basing on what you think I intended---wrong again))
Your words clearly indicated (Here's a novel concept--you maay have come to the wrong conclusion--but that couldn't possibly be. Next time I need to know what I said, Ill be sure to ask you)that you did tresspass and you made no attempt whatsoever to correct that impression when it was pointed out. Something that would have been very easy to do and would have immediately stopped any further criticizm.( Self admission of your assumptions--what you thinkI said --not at all what I said. I was under the assumptuion that you could be reasonable--but i was wrong)
No sir, you dug the hole for yourself and your song and dance after the fact will only convince the gullable.( It is the fact of the matter Sylvan, and your self righteous judgemental, 'know it all' attitude is what is the problem here. I can see you now at the intersection arguing with that stop sign---You didn't say all the way, or how long, or to stop what!I am not concerned about convincing you--it is people that I still have respect for that matter to me!))But if it makes you feel better about yourself by all means keep it up! At least your twisting and squirming is entertaining.That probably is how you view this, butI don't find your accusations or your pompous attitude amusing at all.
O.K. even though I said I was done talking to you, that last line of bs just has to have a response...
You bet I'm indignant--you call me a liar, arrogant, foolish, and accuse me of breaking the law---all based on your self righteous, pompous, self assuming
You said the stand was "located very similar to the one described here".Since I am dealing with a modern day pharisee, let's get real technical to clear the air further for those who are sensible--which isn't you Sylvan. The key word here is located, not type of stand--the first wrong assumption you made--and I already pointed that out, which again you assumed wrongly about.Well the stand described here was "a ladder stand on the other side of the fence not 10 feet from my grandpaws property facing my grandpaws property".Not 10 feet from the line--hanging on the edge of a creek that is the property line is a very similarinstance--but only to those who aren't so self inflated with ego to think theyknow more than the person involved.So in other words clearly on another property which EVERYBODY recognized and discussed. Not "similar" at all to how you later described it.Not similar to how you imagined it---the very reason I went to great lengths to clarify it--but very similar in location--as I said!
Then when I said that you had crossed the border ( Never said I crossed the border--another one of your assumptions)and moved ( didn't 'move ' the stand--I simply pointed it in the other direction, with a note--wrong assumtion again))the stand you didn't take the obvious tack and correct me and say that you didn't cross the border but you defended what you did by saying a warden gave you the "okay" to do "it".(I wasn't aware that I was in need of going to such great lengths and detail to defend myself against false accusations about trespassing--I had my actual statements and experience as a reference, while you are basing on what you think I intended---wrong again))
It was you who assumed I trespassed! I never said I had to or did.
No sir, you dug the hole for yourself and your song and dance after the fact will only convince the gullable.( It is the fact of the matter Sylvan, and your self righteous judgemental, 'know it all' attitude is what is the problem here. I can see you now at the intersection arguing with that stop sign---You didn't say all the way, or how long, or to stop what!I am not concerned about convincing you--it is people that I still have respect for that matter to me!))But if it makes you feel better about yourself by all means keep it up! At least your twisting and squirming is entertaining.That probably is how you view this, butI don't find your accusations or your pompous attitude amusing at all.
11-14-2006 | 02:31 PM
#45
Nontypical Buck
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From: Upstate New York
RE: near trespasing
ORIGINAL: manuman
ORIGINAL: Sylvan
O.K. even though I said I was done talking to you, that last line of bs just has to have a response...
No sir, based on your own words...
You said the stand was "located very similar to the one described here".Since I am dealing with a modern day pharisee, let's get real technical to clear the air further for those who are sensible--which isn't you Sylvan. The key word here is located, not type of stand--the first wrong assumption you made--and I already pointed that out, which again you assumed wrongly about.Well the stand described here was "a ladder stand on the other side of the fence not 10 feet from my grandpaws property facing my grandpaws property".Not 10 feet from the line--hanging on the edge of a creek that is the property line is a very similarinstance--but only to those who aren't so self inflated with ego to think theyknow more than the person involved.So in other words clearly on another property which EVERYBODY recognized and discussed. Not "similar" at all to how you later described it.Not similar to how you imagined it---the very reason I went to great lengths to clarify it--but very similar in location--as I said!
Then when I said that you had crossed the border ( Never said I crossed the border--another one of your assumptions)and moved ( didn't 'move ' the stand--I simply pointed it in the other direction, with a note--wrong assumtion again))the stand you didn't take the obvious tack and correct me and say that you didn't cross the border but you defended what you did by saying a warden gave you the "okay" to do "it".(I wasn't aware that I was in need of going to such great lengths and detail to defend myself against false accusations about trespassing--I had my actual statements and experience as a reference, while you are basing on what you think I intended---wrong again))
Your words clearly indicated (Here's a novel concept--you maay have come to the wrong conclusion--but that couldn't possibly be. Next time I need to know what I said, Ill be sure to ask you)that you did tresspass and you made no attempt whatsoever to correct that impression when it was pointed out. Something that would have been very easy to do and would have immediately stopped any further criticizm.( Self admission of your assumptions--what you thinkI said --not at all what I said. I was under the assumptuion that you could be reasonable--but i was wrong)
No sir, you dug the hole for yourself and your song and dance after the fact will only convince the gullable.( It is the fact of the matter Sylvan, and your self righteous judgemental, 'know it all' attitude is what is the problem here. I can see you now at the intersection arguing with that stop sign---You didn't say all the way, or how long, or to stop what!I am not concerned about convincing you--it is people that I still have respect for that matter to me!))But if it makes you feel better about yourself by all means keep it up! At least your twisting and squirming is entertaining.That probably is how you view this, butI don't find your accusations or your pompous attitude amusing at all.
O.K. even though I said I was done talking to you, that last line of bs just has to have a response...
You bet I'm indignant--you call me a liar, arrogant, foolish, and accuse me of breaking the law---all based on your self righteous, pompous, self assuming
You said the stand was "located very similar to the one described here".Since I am dealing with a modern day pharisee, let's get real technical to clear the air further for those who are sensible--which isn't you Sylvan. The key word here is located, not type of stand--the first wrong assumption you made--and I already pointed that out, which again you assumed wrongly about.Well the stand described here was "a ladder stand on the other side of the fence not 10 feet from my grandpaws property facing my grandpaws property".Not 10 feet from the line--hanging on the edge of a creek that is the property line is a very similarinstance--but only to those who aren't so self inflated with ego to think theyknow more than the person involved.So in other words clearly on another property which EVERYBODY recognized and discussed. Not "similar" at all to how you later described it.Not similar to how you imagined it---the very reason I went to great lengths to clarify it--but very similar in location--as I said!
Then when I said that you had crossed the border ( Never said I crossed the border--another one of your assumptions)and moved ( didn't 'move ' the stand--I simply pointed it in the other direction, with a note--wrong assumtion again))the stand you didn't take the obvious tack and correct me and say that you didn't cross the border but you defended what you did by saying a warden gave you the "okay" to do "it".(I wasn't aware that I was in need of going to such great lengths and detail to defend myself against false accusations about trespassing--I had my actual statements and experience as a reference, while you are basing on what you think I intended---wrong again))
It was you who assumed I trespassed! I never said I had to or did.
No sir, you dug the hole for yourself and your song and dance after the fact will only convince the gullable.( It is the fact of the matter Sylvan, and your self righteous judgemental, 'know it all' attitude is what is the problem here. I can see you now at the intersection arguing with that stop sign---You didn't say all the way, or how long, or to stop what!I am not concerned about convincing you--it is people that I still have respect for that matter to me!))But if it makes you feel better about yourself by all means keep it up! At least your twisting and squirming is entertaining.That probably is how you view this, butI don't find your accusations or your pompous attitude amusing at all.
11-14-2006 | 03:28 PM
#46
Fork Horn
Joined: Nov 2006
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From: Wisconsin
RE: near trespasing
Manuman:
With all the different posts going back and forth between you and Sylvan I lost track of what your action were so let me paraphrase what you did so I can go back to enjoying the bickering.
You found one stand on yourlease\property and one on the property line.
You took down the stand on your property and left a note.
The stand on the property line was over hanging a creek, which is the property line. I assumming the stand was on a tree on his side of line, but the stand itself overhung the property line.
You waded out into the creek reached over the property line and rotated the stand so it no longer was overhanging the property line. Is that fair assesment of your actions? Just trying to play the events over in mind.
With all the different posts going back and forth between you and Sylvan I lost track of what your action were so let me paraphrase what you did so I can go back to enjoying the bickering.
You found one stand on yourlease\property and one on the property line.
You took down the stand on your property and left a note.
The stand on the property line was over hanging a creek, which is the property line. I assumming the stand was on a tree on his side of line, but the stand itself overhung the property line.
You waded out into the creek reached over the property line and rotated the stand so it no longer was overhanging the property line. Is that fair assesment of your actions? Just trying to play the events over in mind.
11-14-2006 | 07:20 PM
#49
Joined: May 2005
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From: georgia
RE: near trespasing
Exactly right--, well, the creek doesn'thave much water init, so technically I didn't wade---just for those among us who like to look hard for some reason to miconstrue what is said--and, the call I made to Corporal Temples was to verify what I could do in the situation. I worked with him the week before on my private tract near my home to get 2 poachers arrested.I posted that story last week. I spent nearly the entire day finding a wounded deer and backtracking it to where it was shot, and finding the shell casings.This is on some bowhunting only property that I have exclusive rights to hunt. Sylvan, you can have the phone numbers of the land owner and DNR oficer if it is so important for you to scrutinize .