Scope or Gun
 

What is more likely to go off, the scope or the gun? When I went to sight in this year, I wasn't even on the paper at 100 yards. I had to move in to 20 yards to get the bullet on the paper. It was about 1.5ft high and left at 20 yards. I thought it was a fluke. I zeroed it and began to hunt with it. Well, I ended up gutshooting a doe last week and never found it. No blood at all and no gut matter other than where she was shot. I took my gun to the sighting in area and it was 7 inches to the right at 50 yards (the doe was walking broadside from right to left).

The gun: Remington Model 700 .243
The scope: Simmons 3-9 from walmart.

BTW, the gun was sighted in at 80 yards last year.

Do scopes fail that dramatically, even cheap ones? Should I be worried about my gun?

RE: Scope or Gun
 

im thinking it is the scope. im not saying cheap scopes are the only ones that fail, or even that you shouldnt use cheap scopes. but after you sight in, you should still practice on several more occasions. this will give more time to see if the scope always comes of zero, and may give you another chance to analize the problem

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First thing I would check is the bases and rings, make sure everything is good and tight. I don't think it will be your gun, I have saw alot of model 700 243's and they all have shot just pretty decent, you can check the bore but I bet its alright, If the scope is not loose, try another scope.



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Edited by - strut on 11/17/2002 21:02:33

RE: Scope or Gun
 

The problem is probably spelled SIMMONS. Save up and get the best scope you can afford and you will never want another cheap scope.

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I agree with Timber. I would bet it's the scope. I would check everything and make sure all is tight first. I went through 3 Simmons scopes the last few years and had problems with them all. Pieces loose on the scope itself and internal pieces. I finally bought a Luepold and WOW what a difference. Not only no problems but can see through much longer. I used to be able to see better with eyes in very low light situtations than through Simmons now the Luepold just lights everything up.

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I had a problem with my Simmons 3x9 too.
It wasn't consistently shooting to one spot. It was all over the place. at 50 yards, I could keep better groups with open sights.
The problem was a loose reticle. It would shift slightly with each shot and I got terrible groups. I'm no bench competitor, but the resulting groups were well below my abilites.
Fortunately, my scope was only on my Ruger 10/22 and never used for hunting. Great little gun, and the scope has been fine ever since I got it fixed.

THE GOOD NEWS: Simmons fixed it for free. Actually, I sent it back to the gun shop and they paid for all of the shipping, but I do believe it was Simmons who ate the repair costs.

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Edited by - Bulzeye on 11/18/2002 13:01:21

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I agree scope is most likely the culprit. If you have iroin sight try them and see what happens? if she shoots good then you know for sure. Check your rings and mounts to ensure they are tight and not damaged. Have a gun shop check it over and boresight it again for you, then try 25 yards and 100 to see if you can get it ironed out. If you have to borrow a gun, don't take that out in the field as it sits not very ethical IMO.

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I shoot a simmons 2.5-10x50 pro 50 and never have had problems and we really never have to sight it in and it shoots consistent groups at 100 bullets in same hole most the time.. Check all you connections i bet that the rings are goofy or something.

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Like others have said check youre rings and bases. and then scope. I have had rear rings get loose just a little and it will cause major fly. tighten them and resight. i have a few simmons and have had better luck with them than trashcos.

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Its probably your scope. I had a scope on a .22 once and went shooting some tin cans or something and it was off, tried to sight it in and it was all over the place. A friend of mine told me that sometimes the crosshairs start to float on cheaper scopes (i think he called it float, its been a number of years). Got a new cheap scope (well its only a .22 no need for an expensive one) and everything was fine after that. (if it happens again, ill go get another cheap one too). You can use the messed up scope as a cheap spotting scope or a monocular.

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Did you clean your gun after you sighted it in? Sometimes that will affect the zero. I know on my gun if I clean it after it is sighted in it will not hit where I aim. Just a thought.

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Did you put lock-tite on the scope screws? I didn't with my last one and it got knocked off zero if you breathed on it hard. Even if the screws are tight, it can get off zero after a few shots if you didn't use lock-tite. You will be a little off too if you sighted it in when your barrel was hot, when it cools off the zero will be off to one side. Check to make sure your scope rings fit on the scope good, the scope could be rattling around in the rings.

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I shoot a Rem. 700 and have for years. My experience is the gun is very good. I have wood stalks and synthetic. Both hold a sights well. I have had the same problem in the past. It was with the scope. I replaced the scope, problem solved. The objectives started to move inside the scope. The faulty scope was a leopold, I replaced it with a simmons eight point. I have had no problems with that gun since. It has been over three years now.

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>The faulty scope was a leopold <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>

I did'nt think things like that was suppose to happen to a leopold.

Edited by - strut on 11/19/2002 18:29:29