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400 yard trophy?
01-24-2007, 04:59 AM
#142
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Rural Kansas... Where Life is Good
Posts: 4,139
RE: 400 yard trophy?
Regarding the original question; A vast majority of hunter can not accurately judge, letalone shoot 400 yards. A few can and when they can, then go ahead and shoot if you can't get any closer. But most of us should not even consider a 400 yard shot.
01-24-2007, 08:56 PM
#145
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: MN USA
Posts: 1,392
RE: 400 yard trophy?
Who in the world would be shooting at big game with a .45-70 out to 400 yds. This is a post Civil War carbine caliber. No stretch of the imagination would call this a flat shooting caliber. It's more like an inverted "U" !
Look at your charts. A .45-70 405 gr soft point at 400 yds is 918 ft./sec (slow), 758 ft/lbs of energy. If it were zeroed at 100 yds, at 400 yds it would be 170 inches below zero point of aim!! Thats over 14 ft. of drop! You'd never kill a big game or much else at that distance with this caliber.
Better look for a .300 WM, 7 mm mag or other rifle that actually can carry that far with a reasonable probability with practice could hit a paper target at 400 yds. Then let that trophy animal youshould show some respect to pass on by rather than take some wild shot with a caliber from the 19th century.
Look at your charts. A .45-70 405 gr soft point at 400 yds is 918 ft./sec (slow), 758 ft/lbs of energy. If it were zeroed at 100 yds, at 400 yds it would be 170 inches below zero point of aim!! Thats over 14 ft. of drop! You'd never kill a big game or much else at that distance with this caliber.
Better look for a .300 WM, 7 mm mag or other rifle that actually can carry that far with a reasonable probability with practice could hit a paper target at 400 yds. Then let that trophy animal youshould show some respect to pass on by rather than take some wild shot with a caliber from the 19th century.
02-02-2007, 04:45 PM
#146
Typical Buck
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Navasota Texas
Posts: 854
RE: 400 yard trophy?
ORIGINAL: kshunter
Regarding the original question; A vast majority of hunter can not accurately judge, letalone shoot 400 yards. A few can and when they can, then go ahead and shoot if you can't get any closer. But most of us should not even consider a 400 yard shot.
Regarding the original question; A vast majority of hunter can not accurately judge, letalone shoot 400 yards. A few can and when they can, then go ahead and shoot if you can't get any closer. But most of us should not even consider a 400 yard shot.
02-02-2007, 08:21 PM
#148
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Wall SD USA & Jamestown ND
Posts: 11,474
RE: 400 yard trophy?
I would try to get at least 100 yards closer. If I couldn't, he might be even bigger the next time we meet. Never have seen an anmal that I had to kill. If I take a trophy, it will be on my terms. I will pass for now.
02-03-2007, 07:51 AM
#149
Typical Buck
Join Date: Jan 2004
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Posts: 549
RE: 400 yard trophy?
Most of the time a debate like this ends up being a West vs East style of shooting. Out west alot of shots are taking beyond 200yds. In the East alot of shots are under 100yds. So when one guy say i shota deer at 400yds the other guy is in disbelief. Then makes a comment like oh he's not a good hunter if he can't get no closer than 400yds. Guys that make those comments have never hunted antelope in the open prairie or mule deer at timberline where there's absolutely no cover beyond where your at. Sure most of the time there's a way to get closer. But sometimes when that monster buck is out there and there's no way to get to him or time is critical, you have better practiced for those shots or there goes your chance at a really nice trophy.
That being said no one should shot beyond their capable means. That to me means being able to hit a what your aiming at 99% of the time.
That being said no one should shot beyond their capable means. That to me means being able to hit a what your aiming at 99% of the time.
02-03-2007, 08:48 AM
#150
Join Date: Aug 2006
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Posts: 161
RE: 400 yard trophy?
My ultimate goal is to take one past 1000yds. At this time my equipment will get me out to about 600, but the longest shot I have taken was at 440yds. Every cartrige listed there is capable of a 1 shot kill at 400 yards, but the shooter better know what he's doing.