Traditional Deer Hunters and Dog Hunters
02-20-2006, 10:10 PM
#12
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RE: Traditional Deer Hunters and Dog Hunters
i have hunted deer with dogs and i have hunted deer the old way . deer hunting with dogs is alright but it wasnt my thing but my dad paid for to hunt down there with him so i couldnt say no .i love to hunt deer one on one no dogs but i do man drives . as for the dogs runnin on other leases a dog cant read its doin what comes natural to him to chase deer he cant just stop cause he is on another lease so u cant blame the dogs .in south carolina in most counties its against to shoot a dog that comes on your property while belongin to another club .they take it serious here so out of state hunters to learn that before leasin land in the low country of south carolina .
02-21-2006, 04:21 AM
#13
Join Date: Nov 2005
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RE: Traditional Deer Hunters and Dog Hunters
It is a good, pleasant, traditional way of hunting deer! Next question!
Pros: more effective so herd managment is made easier, more social, more involving dogs, more action, any wounded deer is easier to find.
Cons: can be more difficult to determine if the animal is the right one to shoot, can be disturbing to others.
Pros: more effective so herd managment is made easier, more social, more involving dogs, more action, any wounded deer is easier to find.
Cons: can be more difficult to determine if the animal is the right one to shoot, can be disturbing to others.
02-21-2006, 08:10 AM
#14
Boone & Crockett
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Location: Ponce de Leon Florida USA
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RE: Traditional Deer Hunters and Dog Hunters
We stopped dog hunting about 6 years ago due to the fact that we couldn't get enough contiguous lands to contain the dogs. If possible I would still be running my hounds. The companionship of 20 or so people hunting together beats the heck out of sitting in a dang tree like a bird shooting a unsuspecting deer at 100 or more yards while he is eating or seeking female companionship with a rifle gets old quick. (don't care about bows either)
02-21-2006, 08:31 AM
#15
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Dauphin Island, Alabama
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RE: Traditional Deer Hunters and Dog Hunters
Hunting with dogs IS the traditional way in much of the South.
I've tried it and didn't really care for it, more time spent getting ready and fooling with dogs that actually hunting.
Some slob hunters loose thier dogs so that they will run the deer off surrounding land onto thier hunting land. Even when they are loosed on on the dog club's land, the dogs don't know boundaries and chase deer on surrounding property.
As a small land owner, I don't like the practice. All the effort I make scouting, building stands, making food plots. ect. is all undone when the hounds go through the property.
I won't do it, but I do have thoughts of shooting 'em.
I've tried it and didn't really care for it, more time spent getting ready and fooling with dogs that actually hunting.
Some slob hunters loose thier dogs so that they will run the deer off surrounding land onto thier hunting land. Even when they are loosed on on the dog club's land, the dogs don't know boundaries and chase deer on surrounding property.
As a small land owner, I don't like the practice. All the effort I make scouting, building stands, making food plots. ect. is all undone when the hounds go through the property.
I won't do it, but I do have thoughts of shooting 'em.
02-21-2006, 07:41 PM
#16
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RE: Traditional Deer Hunters and Dog Hunters
I feel that hunting deer with dogs is a perfectly good way to hunt deer. It is also very effective.
This is a pic of me and little brother with or first bucks killed in the Ocala Nat'l Forest "FL'Opening day of hunting season. Killed 15 min. apart running dogs.
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f314/Bloominghunter/IMG_0744.jpg
I'm on the left
This is a pic of me and little brother with or first bucks killed in the Ocala Nat'l Forest "FL'Opening day of hunting season. Killed 15 min. apart running dogs.
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f314/Bloominghunter/IMG_0744.jpg
I'm on the left
02-21-2006, 09:06 PM
#17
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Houston, Tx
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RE: Traditional Deer Hunters and Dog Hunters
Personally I see no point in hunting over dogs when there are more than plenty other effective methods of hunting.
I see both sides of the debate and the only tangible (non prefference based) arguements are on the "no" side. In the days when all the local landowners hunted each other's land and boundaries were for the most part not a problem, it was fine. But there really is no way to ensure that the hounds wont affect bordering properties. I for one was taught to respect neighbors property and to do all I could to not disturb them. Seems most people have forgotten this. It's all about what's legal rather than what's respectful. We stress the concepts of ethical hunting and hunting with dogs just doesn't fit that in my mind.
These are my preferrence-biased opinions of the practice.
Patience is a virtue. Although one not particularly necessary for the practice of deer hunting with dogs. Which is what makes that practice enticeing to the "gimme now" mentality of the modern society. Also a contributing trait to the popularity of the high-fenced "managed-game-ranches". But that's another soap box for another day.
Dog hunting's origins when Deer hunting was done more for sustinance(by the working class majority of hunters anyways) than for sport. Which really makes it the traditional method. While I'm sure we can all agree that Venison is at very least one of, if not the very best meats in the world; dependence on hunting for the majority of a family's meals has vanished(as far as I know). There are much less disruptive or distructive methods.
When hunting with dogs you're taking the hunting out of the hunt. It relegates the hunter from a role of active seeking/hunting(an intimate ballet of sorts) to that of a skilled marksman. Afterall it takes a bit of skill(or luck rather for most people of this mentality) to administer a singly fatal shot to a deer running 90 to nothing.
Just my 2 cents.
I know this is an old debate and someones probably already expressed this view, but I'm fairly new here and have yet to spout off on this topic. I dont mean to be combative and offer these arguements in the highest spirit of free debate. And I certainly didn't mean for this to be this long of a spiel.
And you're right, popcorn would sound good right about now.
I see both sides of the debate and the only tangible (non prefference based) arguements are on the "no" side. In the days when all the local landowners hunted each other's land and boundaries were for the most part not a problem, it was fine. But there really is no way to ensure that the hounds wont affect bordering properties. I for one was taught to respect neighbors property and to do all I could to not disturb them. Seems most people have forgotten this. It's all about what's legal rather than what's respectful. We stress the concepts of ethical hunting and hunting with dogs just doesn't fit that in my mind.
These are my preferrence-biased opinions of the practice.
Patience is a virtue. Although one not particularly necessary for the practice of deer hunting with dogs. Which is what makes that practice enticeing to the "gimme now" mentality of the modern society. Also a contributing trait to the popularity of the high-fenced "managed-game-ranches". But that's another soap box for another day.
Dog hunting's origins when Deer hunting was done more for sustinance(by the working class majority of hunters anyways) than for sport. Which really makes it the traditional method. While I'm sure we can all agree that Venison is at very least one of, if not the very best meats in the world; dependence on hunting for the majority of a family's meals has vanished(as far as I know). There are much less disruptive or distructive methods.
When hunting with dogs you're taking the hunting out of the hunt. It relegates the hunter from a role of active seeking/hunting(an intimate ballet of sorts) to that of a skilled marksman. Afterall it takes a bit of skill(or luck rather for most people of this mentality) to administer a singly fatal shot to a deer running 90 to nothing.
Just my 2 cents.
I know this is an old debate and someones probably already expressed this view, but I'm fairly new here and have yet to spout off on this topic. I dont mean to be combative and offer these arguements in the highest spirit of free debate. And I certainly didn't mean for this to be this long of a spiel.
And you're right, popcorn would sound good right about now.
02-23-2006, 06:10 AM
#18
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Carleton Place, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 75
RE: Traditional Deer Hunters and Dog Hunters
Davoh,
I had complete respect for your opinions and preferences until you said "Afterall it takes a bit of skill(or luck rather for most people of this mentality) to administer a singly fatal shot to a deer running 90 to nothing."
I have hunted both ways. 99% of the time as a "still" hunter but this year I was invited to dog hunt for a day. What an amazing experience. I gained a whole new respect for dog hunters and especially the one who places the dogs in the bush and runs them through to the other side. The "dogger" I met on that day was amazing. Within 4 separate runs in different areas I saw 2 deer go down and had an opprotunity to take one myself (it was way too small). The sound of thehounds coming through the bush righ at you is one of the most exciting things I have ever experienced, and then all of the sudden, there's a deer comong out of the bush right to you. Very cool experience.
These guys were good and had rules. The main rule........ If a dog is on a deer and you miss your shot or choose not to shoot, you must immediatly safety your gun and GET THE DOG!! This way you don't have dogs running around on others property. Sure once in a while they may get by you but it is rare, very rare with this group. I found them to be very efficient hunters and not just a bunch of lucky shot slobs.
I have seen both sides. I respect both sides.
Drew.
I had complete respect for your opinions and preferences until you said "Afterall it takes a bit of skill(or luck rather for most people of this mentality) to administer a singly fatal shot to a deer running 90 to nothing."
I have hunted both ways. 99% of the time as a "still" hunter but this year I was invited to dog hunt for a day. What an amazing experience. I gained a whole new respect for dog hunters and especially the one who places the dogs in the bush and runs them through to the other side. The "dogger" I met on that day was amazing. Within 4 separate runs in different areas I saw 2 deer go down and had an opprotunity to take one myself (it was way too small). The sound of thehounds coming through the bush righ at you is one of the most exciting things I have ever experienced, and then all of the sudden, there's a deer comong out of the bush right to you. Very cool experience.
These guys were good and had rules. The main rule........ If a dog is on a deer and you miss your shot or choose not to shoot, you must immediatly safety your gun and GET THE DOG!! This way you don't have dogs running around on others property. Sure once in a while they may get by you but it is rare, very rare with this group. I found them to be very efficient hunters and not just a bunch of lucky shot slobs.
I have seen both sides. I respect both sides.
Drew.
