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My first choice would be the 308 with the 7mm Rem. Mag. as a close second.

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Well, to be honest with you I hope no one ever shoots at a deer at 200 yards. I've been hunting for a while now (years) and I shoot a 7mm. Even though that gun is capable of dropping a person at 1000 yards, I don't feel comfortable shooting at a deer no further than 100 yards but that is just me. I've seen alot of deer wounded and have had my hunt ruined by ignorant hunters that think they are a sniper in the movies.

But to answer your question, my father-in-law has a bullestics book and according to the book there a few guns tested. a .243, 270, 3006, 7mm and a 300 mag. They were tested with the best ammo for the gun. What I mean is the "best" ammo for that particular caliber of gun was chosen. They testest accuracy from 20 out to 500 yards and power ( i believe it was pounds per sq inch) To make a long story short, the 7mm was the best overall choice with bullestic silver tip shells. It was the flattest shooting, and at distances of 500 yards it was more accurate than the rest, it didn't have the knock down power of the 300 at 500 yards but it was pretty darn close. Before I knew all this, I bought a 7mm, what luck!!

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I'm just wondering how dropping a person at 1000 yards gets brought up in this conversation? I think it might be you that watches too many movies. I am glad your maximum effective range is 100 yards, mine just happens to be alot further than that. I shot a doe this evening at 250 yards trotting right thru her neck, she never even twitched just flipped over (this was with my 7mm).

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Don't read too much into it. I am just saying this is a gun that the military useds the same caliber for the snipers. So for a gun to be used BY THE MILITARY to shoot ppl at 1000+yards, and I don't even use it to shot out past 100 yards. thats my point.

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IMHO any cal. mentioned here would kill a deer if shot placement was right at 200 yrds but IMHO70% of the people on this topic could place a shot right at 200 yrds and maybe 30% at 300 yrds and I am not one of them so I don't try it. Out past 200 yrds? Not me, Iwould stock him and get much closer fora muchbetter quality shot! It's all in what cal. you like and feel comfortable with. Just my .02 worth

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I guess I wasn't aware that the military used a 7mm as a sniper rifle [&:]I think you might have it mistaken with the 308 Win or the 300 Win Mag.

I'm no expert on the military by any means, I am sure someone can clear this up.

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Wow a lot of great story tellersputting their thoughts (me included) into this question. Nice to see that, like mostconversations people sink their credibility as soon as they open their mouths. Simply amazing!
Now back to the question. I personnally shoot a 7mm STW (8mm Remington Magnecked down to the 7mm). I hate recoil so I loaded up for deer 120gr Barnes X bullets which are leaving the barrel at approx 3400 fps. Flat shooter, accurate that gets the job done very efficiently. You might question the "hate recoil" and wonder why the huge case? It was to get that little bullet out quick and as flat as possible. Going into the 160 gr bullet range I take a thumping and it is not needed for deer. My Elk/Moose load I opted for a 140gr Barnes X to reduce recoil but still retaining a slightly heavier bullet for the bigger thicker bonedanimal. Shoot a calibrethat you can personaly handle accuratly and never shoot beyond your capabilities!

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Best advice I've heard till now!!

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well now! you knew everybody had a favorite. Mine is a 30-06 also. remi 742.
As far as flat shooting andcarry the distance...270....no doubt.
30-06 has more ofan arch than flat.
Dropped deer at300 with both.

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go with the 30-06.

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hands down 308 norma

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i just can't believe ppl actually shoot out past 100 yards. my bro in law tells the same story every christmas about how he shot a deer at 275 yards with a 243 with no rest. Impressive yes, but safe, not for th edeer, He could have wounded it, missed it. If i can't call a deer in to under a distance to where i can shoot without needed a rest, then I am not shooting. If I have to have a rest to shoot then thats too far for me to try.

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30-06 wouldnt be a bad choice but it is a slightly heavy bullet. A .270 is a very good flat shooting powerful gun.

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I tell you what.If we put a baseball up at 100 yards and you shot five timesoffhand and them we put that same baseball up at 300 yards and I shot five tomesat it with a rest,do you think that you could hit the ball more times than I could?

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He He !
My 9 year old son took his first deer yesterday, a spike ,with my well equipped .243, it was at 205 yds. I told him to hit the shoulder and he hit a little high, dropped him in his tracks, he also dropped a javelina at 120 yds, 2 one shot kills.
couple of threads to follow on this subject.
.243 on the small side, JamesB ? wait till you see the pic. He He !

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No doubt I could. Do you think your gun shoots the same everytime?? let me tell you, it doesn't. The 7mm is the most accurate GUN. I have a bullistics book where they tested it against the 300, 243, 270 and 30-06. Not ot mention, I just got out of the military, so I've been trained to shoot as well. Not to mention again, that its not about who can hit the most baseballs or bottle caps or whatever, the point is, I won't dare risk missing or wounding a deer because I want to take a long range shot. If you want to go ahead, I just hope you hit it and it dies. I dont' know how long you've been hunting deer, I've only been hunting a few years and out of those few years, I've seen more jackasses wound deer and shoot one to have it run off and die somewhere because they don't want to walk out 300 yards to where they shoot at it to see if there was any signs of a hit. You may be able to hit a germ off of a cows back at 200000 yards. But it wouldn't bother me, cuz I still stand by my word, I won't take a shot more than 100 yards.

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I have my money on you! Go get him tiger! :D

I've never met anyone with less confidence than utmstudent.

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Confidence?? How ludicrous is that statement. Are you serious? maybe your joking. I am more confident at 100 yards than you are at 300 yards. You have more room for error. I don' thave as much. Let's not forget I've never missed either. BECAUSE i keep my distance short. I respect animals and don't want to risk wounding them. I don't have respect for anyone that abuses animals. Call it what ever you want, you sound like your 10 years old. I call it being moral towards animals, noble, high-minded, elevated, proper, ethical, righteous and/or principled.

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Limiting yourself to a maximum distance of 100 yards is just plain retarted. You shoot the most "accurate" gun ever, the 7mm, and your obviously a "professional" shooter since you are military. :eek:

I'd put money I could shoot a tighter 3 shot group at 300 yards than you could at 100 yards. You said you've been deer hunting for a few years, I'm on my 10th year of deer hunting, and I have missed a few deer, not many. We could compare number of kills, and we'll see when you reach as high as me, if your hit/miss ratio is still the same.

I want to hunt with you, when that monster 30pt buck steps out at 105 yards, he would be all mine! [:-]


BTW - I have never wounded or lost an animal in all my years of hunting and shooting well beyond 300 yards.

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If we're going to discus something, don't be so simple minded, limiting my maximum distance to 100 yards is not retarded. Plus retarded is spelled with a D not a T. Its what I am comfortable with. You may be comfortable at 300 yards, am I saying that your retarded for shooting so damn far?? Nope.

I am not going to baby-sit you son, I never said it was the most accurate gun ever. And I wouldn't call myself a professional shooter, better than average though. lol



sure, I'll put my e-money on it too. Look at the logic of this situation. I very seriously doubt you could.



I bet they were the ones out past 300 yards, you should be practicing your .0000098 inch groups at 1000 yards then.

lets not get into a pissing contest here. Don't put too much meaning into online stats.

Well, you must be brain dead, I guess I need to clarify myself, AROUND 100 yards is what I am comfortable with. Plus, I wouldn't let you hunt with me, obviously you have no respect for others.

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Yep, I'm dropping this subject. G'luck with your season.

You might want to ask my buddies if I have no respect for big game or them. So far this season I have put 3 of my buddies on deer, all scored over 130"

I understand we all have our limitations when it comes to shooting. I sight my rifle in by shooting at 100 yards. Then I set out 20 ounce/ 1 Liter/ 2 Liter/ gallon jugs full of water out to 450 yards and bang away. Its not only a great way to sharpen your skills, its a fun competition with friends.

Again g'luck with your season, sorry to have stepped on your toes.

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All I was doing was stating my opinion until you and the other guy wanted to tell me that just because I kept my distances short, that I was retarded. I've never heard such ignorance. You two are being very hypocritical, if you say that about my 100 yards, then its no different than you and your 300 yards. I don't like the idea of ppl shooting over 100 yards, but if you can do it then good but don't talk down on me because I choose not to shoot that far.

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So you would have no trouble beating these 100 yard groups with your 7mm that is so accurate.



http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d128/stubblejumper11/300ultramaggroups.jpg

or these

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d128/stubblejumper11/7mmstw2groups.jpg

or these

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d128/stubblejumper11/300ultramag2groups.jpg

or these

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d128/stubblejumper11/7mmstwgroups.jpg

Lets see some of your groups.Show us just how accurate you and your rifle are.

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:D:D:D:D:D
I'd like to see them too......

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even if I had a digital camera, I wouldn't waste my time. Grow up. Do you know how ridiculas you two are? when i go deer hunting I am not concerned with "oh man I hope I see one 500 yards out so I can shoot at it" I am concerned with killing a deer. what don't you two go to a target shooting forum. I deer hunt, I'll kill deer regardless of the distance being that its under 100 yards. this is my comfort zone and I will not jeopardize the deer's health or my hunt or other hunters around me because I want to play sniper. if I can't see what the deer is without a scope or binoculars then its out of range for me. Bottom line.

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Ballistics &Longrange Calibers Personal Ethics,aside.....
I'd like to know just why your posting on this thread if your not a long range shooter......
Just why did you get involved in the first place !!!......
This thread is titled BestLong Range Deer Cal......
So what if ya have a 7mm.....You have now clue how it yours shoots past 100yrds in the field......
Your going by books.....And you won't even try on a paper target...
DUMP OR GET OFF THE POT!!!.....

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:D:D:D

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Hey Rebel.....
How many smiles do I deserve for the EDITED VERSION......:D

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Or put another way

Put up or shut up:D:D:D

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I respect your choice not to shoot beyond 100 yards. I was pointing out that in some cases, it is not practical. Setting your limits short is certainly better than streching your limits.

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I wasn't going to post on here again, but what the heck.....:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Nice shooting stubblejumper!

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On the contrary, when sighting in my rifle and checking before each and every season, I shoot from 50, 100, 200 and 300 yards, so I do have some clue of how my 7mm shoots on paper. Just because I'll shoot at a paper target 300 yards away, doesn't in any way mean that i will attempt that on a living, breathing animal. Besides, I seem to be doing quite well with my 100 yard limit. I've already killed the biggest deer this year, out of all the ones I have shot. 200, 300, 1000 yards that you can shoot, makes no difference to me. Until I stop seeing deer from 100 yards in, I will keep things the way they are. And on a side note, to tell you the truth, I've never in my life seen a deer 200 or 300 yards away. But you may be hunting in flat land somewhere, I am in TN. Plus I always put my stand right in the perfect honey hole. So good luck with your sniper ability, I couldn't really care. If that’s what you need to do to kill a deer then good for you, I just hope that you don't wound him and he runs off and dies or worse, suffers the rest of its life. I've seen too many deer like that from ppl like you that insist on taking those long range shots. maybe your good enough to take them consistently. Its still too risky for me to want to try.

But make a note, I'll assure you that if I am in dyer need of meat, my family is dieing and I've been snowed in, there is a epidemic of hunger going around and the closest deer I see is 500 yards away, I'll make sure my MOAs are lined up, I'll make sure that my POA and Windage/Elevation are correct and then I'll attempt to kill him.

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utmstudent....Thanks for the spelling correction.....

You still havn't made up your mind have ya........
TO TELL YA THE TRUTH YOU LOST ME......

I've got better thing to do like shoot tht BIG MONSTER30 PLUS INCH
MULE DEER BUCK I DREAMT ABOUT LAST NIGHT at 247yrds nodoubt.....:D
But being the good natured fellow I am:D

I willing to hand you either a X-LAX to help you with that CONSTIPATION or hand feed yoy an IMODIUM to cure those RUNS......

You said "I don't dare feel comfortable shooting animals out past 100yrds.."
"If I can't call them in to a safe distance to shoot where I don't need a rest...Then I'm not shooting...."
BUT NOW THERE IS AN IF......:D

In none of you posts did you DARE MENTION practicingat shooting
paper targets out to 300 yrds until just now..

YOUR FATHER IN LAW has a ballistics book....and that the 7mm has the best ballistics out to the 500 yrd range.
Again you say the 7mm is the most accurate long range gun the Ballistic BOOK proves it.....
There is NO mention of practicing shooting your gun past 100yrds.....

"I STAND BY MY WORD I WILL NOT TAKE A SHOT PAST 100yrds"
AGAIN......NOW THERE IS AN IF.....:D

I CALL IT MORAL TOWARDS ANIMALS, NOBEL,HIGH MINDED,,ELEVATED,
PROPER,ETHICAL,RIGHTEOUS,and/or PRINCIPLED.......
AGAIN......AN IF......:D

SO WHICH DO YOU NEED utmstdent....THE IMODIUM OR THE X-LAX..

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HUH?


HUH? Dear God help me.

What?
I don't have to mention anything about it. I don't tell people everything online that I do in life.
Well, I think I am going to need something strong for a headache, you type like a retarded 3rd grader. Learn to complete sentences, spell, punctuate and then you can set at the grown up table and talk grown up talk. Its utmstudent, not utmstdent.

You made positively, absolutely no sense in your whole response. Nothing educational about the subject I am talking about was mentioned, just immature comments that a 3rd grader could have came up with. How about that imodium you have?

Hey, I'll tell you what sniper, good luck with that 247 pound man you "dreamt" about. Good luck shooting .000000000001 inch groups at 5,000 yards. Because, and pay attention because this is the real kicker, I COULD CARE LESS, as I've said many times over. I shoot at a comfortable range, I am happy with that, I have killed my limit in bucks the past 5 years by doing this, I've never missed, I've never wounded a deer, I've never screwed up someone else's hunt. Like I said above, I've never seen a deer out 200 yards before. Like I said above, maybe its just the place I am hunting, maybe I put my stand in a good spot. Maybe I value animal life more than you, maybe I am not some marksman/sniper/dude like you. Shoot the tick off the **** wagon at 8798697685 yards, like I really care. I'm killing what I need at 100 yards or less and that’s getting the job done. Why change?


BTW, as careless as you are about your grammar problem, how can you kill a deer at 300 yards? Are you that careless with shooting deer? I hope not. GOOD LUCK SNIPER

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Someone that is so concerned about other peoples grammar and spelling should see the errors in both quotes.