Deer Baiting
11-15-2005, 11:08 PM
#21
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: USA
Posts: 494
RE: Deer Baiting
ORIGINAL: bigcountry
...baiting has a direct effect on deer for us all. So does drives ...
It does make people slob hunters. I know guys who hunt the same stand everyyear. They just sit there. They dont' go out and look for scrapes or rubs, don't go out and hunt the animals. They count on other hunters stirring up the deer...
...baiting has a direct effect on deer for us all. So does drives ...
It does make people slob hunters. I know guys who hunt the same stand everyyear. They just sit there. They dont' go out and look for scrapes or rubs, don't go out and hunt the animals. They count on other hunters stirring up the deer...
Are you saying drive hunters are slobs?
Are you saying that someone who posts an area in a stand and gets a deer that has been kicked up by someone else is a slob?
Are you saying that legal baiting hunters are slobs?
If any or all of the above are correct, please educate us on the true and pure way to hunt so we can do it right.
yours slovenly,
11-16-2005, 01:43 AM
#22
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Port Neches, Texas
Posts: 5,514
RE: Deer Baiting
Me thinks that people who call 100% legal hunters slobs, mostly do it to inflate their little ego's! That, "I'm a better hunter than you," attitude!
As said before Texas has plenty of baiting, and NO, NONE, CWD!!!!!
Again as others have said, it might be different if there was snow on the ground, there was no other natural food around, and the deer were starving! In that case, the bait would be a "magnet!"
Where I hunt, there aren't many planted crops to hover over, but theres tons of natural foods! So its a grave misconception that "you put out bait just in any old spot, and presto, every deer in the countycomes to it!"
In the end, lots of things could be concidered unethical. In-lines, cross bows, compound bows, scents, decoys, scopes, the small crops that the farmers "happen" to not completly harvest, baiting, food plots, drives! Have I missed much of anything?
Anyway, the Native Americans, which were NOT from India BTW, and also the settlers used most of the above listed hunting methods that were available to them at the time!
The bottom line is; if its legal, you have a choice, if its not legal, you have no choice!
If thinking thatyourhunting methodmakes you so much better,and pumps your ego, by all means, go ahead! Think what you want!
Thinking it, doesn't necesarily make it so!
As said before Texas has plenty of baiting, and NO, NONE, CWD!!!!!
Again as others have said, it might be different if there was snow on the ground, there was no other natural food around, and the deer were starving! In that case, the bait would be a "magnet!"
Where I hunt, there aren't many planted crops to hover over, but theres tons of natural foods! So its a grave misconception that "you put out bait just in any old spot, and presto, every deer in the countycomes to it!"
In the end, lots of things could be concidered unethical. In-lines, cross bows, compound bows, scents, decoys, scopes, the small crops that the farmers "happen" to not completly harvest, baiting, food plots, drives! Have I missed much of anything?
Anyway, the Native Americans, which were NOT from India BTW, and also the settlers used most of the above listed hunting methods that were available to them at the time!
The bottom line is; if its legal, you have a choice, if its not legal, you have no choice!
If thinking thatyourhunting methodmakes you so much better,and pumps your ego, by all means, go ahead! Think what you want!
Thinking it, doesn't necesarily make it so!
11-16-2005, 03:58 AM
#23
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 3,903
RE: Deer Baiting
You cant be serious.
Baiting is a selfish act that only benefits the unethical person doing it. Going to the effort of providing the entire deer herd with beneficial nutrition all year long is quite different. That is why it is legal to hunt next to a corn field but not over a pile of corn.
Baiting is a selfish act that only benefits the unethical person doing it. Going to the effort of providing the entire deer herd with beneficial nutrition all year long is quite different. That is why it is legal to hunt next to a corn field but not over a pile of corn.
In all fairness , you can't be serious neither?Are you trying to imply that the sole reason for landowners planting food plots is to supply the deer with nutrition all year long???
You mean it has absolutely nothing to do with landowners trying to draw deer to their property?
Pretty hypocritical to label one a "selfish act" and not the other!What about the baiters who feed all year long? It's quite common in northern Wisconsin. They feed all year long in hopes of a lower winter kill , which benefits anyone hunting the national forests.
I don't bait myself , but I am soooo sick and tired of seeing thefood plotters thumb their noses at the corn pilers! I know alot of "corn pilers" hunting public land. I also know alot of landowners hunting their food plots. They ALL have the same goal , to attract deer to their neck of the woods. One has the property and the resources to plant a food plot to attract deer. The other doesn't. They both sound like their using resources available to them to attract deer. Are they both selfish? Maybe , but neither should be looking down their noses at the other!
11-16-2005, 06:01 AM
#25
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Nekoosa Wi USA
Posts: 6,066
RE: Deer Baiting
I bait leagally, not just to bring the deer in, but to watch them, and get a CLEAN ETHICAL KILL SHOT. And im a "slob hunter" because I want to make sure the animal I harvest has a quick death?? You bet that this comming saturday Ill be gun hunting over bait. Doesnt mean im takign the first deer that decides its breakfast time. But you can bet if i see horns, its going down on the spot.
11-16-2005, 08:47 AM
#26
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location:
Posts: 21
RE: Deer Baiting
Theories abound.
One is that TV hunting shows often depict deer hunters in other states hunting -- legally -- over deer feeders, thus inspiring some Minnesotans.
Another is that deer hunting's increased popularity, attracting some 500,000 Minnesotans a year, has attracted people to the sport who otherwise spend little time in the woods or fields -- people who believe the point of hunting is to shoot a deer (or multiple deer) as quickly as possible, then return home.
These types of deer hunters, the belief goes, are less drawn to the pastime by tradition than by recreational opportunity. They treat hunting in the same terms they consider going to a ballgame, concert or other attraction: something to be done occasionally, while hoping for the greatest visceral return in the shortest possible time.
One is that TV hunting shows often depict deer hunters in other states hunting -- legally -- over deer feeders, thus inspiring some Minnesotans.
Another is that deer hunting's increased popularity, attracting some 500,000 Minnesotans a year, has attracted people to the sport who otherwise spend little time in the woods or fields -- people who believe the point of hunting is to shoot a deer (or multiple deer) as quickly as possible, then return home.
These types of deer hunters, the belief goes, are less drawn to the pastime by tradition than by recreational opportunity. They treat hunting in the same terms they consider going to a ballgame, concert or other attraction: something to be done occasionally, while hoping for the greatest visceral return in the shortest possible time.
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11-16-2005, 10:14 AM
#29
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: USA
Posts: 494
RE: Deer Baiting
My personal opinion is that I prefer to harvest my game animals in the quickest, most efficient way possible. If I spend 1 day rather than a week getting my meat, I'm happy. I have plenty of other things to do and see hunting as simply an enjoyable way of getting meat that isn't available commercially. So I'm not as worthy a hunter as those of you who would rather do it the hard way and spend a week for no other reason than "I'm doing it the righteous way". Big deal, I couldn't care less about your opinion either.
So I hunt in areas I think will produce animals quickly, huntwith thelegal techniques I think will work best and most efficiently. Use the weapons that will kill quickest, most efficient and humanely,and kill for meat, not style points or antlers.
So I hunt in areas I think will produce animals quickly, huntwith thelegal techniques I think will work best and most efficiently. Use the weapons that will kill quickest, most efficient and humanely,and kill for meat, not style points or antlers.
11-16-2005, 10:16 AM
#30
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location:
Posts: 11,472
RE: Deer Baiting
Anyway whats so bad about feeding dozens of deer and helping them prepare for winter?? And when you do decide to take one you have a nice shot at it to make a clean kill. No suffering and no wasted meat.
Let me first say if baiting is legal and it's your cup of tea then knock your socks off. I don't view it as unethical or "slob" hunters that do it. I'm just not crazy about the concept.
To me that style of hunting takes away from a big part of the whole hunting experience. Spending 365 days a year scouting and patterning a big buck is what the hunt is all about IMO. "Feeding deer for the winter untill you decide to take one" seems to me that you're missing out on a lot of what goes on in the woods.
Again I'm not saying my style of hunting is better than anyone elses or baiters are unethical slobs. I just don't see it as the total hunting experience. I prefer the challenge of the whole process rather than just plopping 100 lbs. of corn on the ground and waiting. Perhaps it is more scientific than that. If so I'm all ears as to what else baiting entails.