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Its almost depressing how times change. I remember growing up and grandfather would go deer hunting on anyones land and they didn't care. Now days, you would get locked up for just stepping on their land.


I remember growing up and my grandfather would go hunting in his work clothes, blue jeans, white teeshirt. To be honest I don't recall him ever wearing anything gree. I remember he would kill more deer than we would know what to do with. I bet I have over 100 racks of his in my atic. Now days everyone has to buy the top of the line camo clothes, with the top of the line boots and pants.

I also remember he would hunt with a slug in a shotgun and the only other gun he had was a 30-30 and he very rarely hunted with that. Alot like me, he would shoot a deer and it would drop dead in his tracks, there was no missing, tracking the deer or wounding it. Now days people can't shoot good enough to hit the ground if they aimed at it. They have to have the biggest gun, like they are pretending to be a military sniper. Its like after they watch a movie they have to go out and buy a gun they seen in a movie because they think that is thebest one to use to kill a poor deer.


Stand, oh yes deer stands, my grandfather never hunted out of a stand, he would set up against a tree. If he ever did hunt out of a stand, he built one in a tree himself. Now days people walking into a woods for deer hunting are packing so much ****, it lookes like they are going to hike up the Hymalyan moutains.


Back then he hunted for meat, meat and more meat. We ate every bit of it. He cleaned his own deer and thats what we ate. If it wasn't deer, it was rabbit, if not rabbit then squirrel if not squirrel it was quail. Now days people hunt for the sport, for the fun of it, which i don't guess theres nothing wrong with that but like I said times have changed and its scary to me.

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If you emulate your grand father then you will be like him. Sounds like a great roll model to me. Changes and good examples start with you. How will your grand son reflect on you? Think about it!

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I don't agree with you that it's ridiculous that people can't just hunt on any land they want. Private property is just that, and with the population being so much bigger than when your grandpa was younger, it's just natural that this is toughter than it was.As the years went by from your grandpa's day to now, if any land owner just encountered one Bozo, that would spoil it for everyone coming afterward. It's bound to happen as the years go by, not because people are more Bozo-like now, but eventually as the years go by, we're all likely to encounter one. Does that make sense?

On the other hand, I agree with you that people tend to go overboard with "stuff" whether it be clothes, guns, stands, what have you. I tend to think it's overboard, but I understand - people just like to spend dough on their hobbies, if they have money to spend. On the other hand, I know a lot of very good hunters nowadays who just wear regular clothes (with orange if need-be) and carry a plain jane rifle, shotgun or whatever. No big deal either way to me. I'm in the middle. I bought the essentials to get started. Every year I tend to buy some thing or another that I think will either make hunting more fun, more comfortable, more effective,or easier.

Thing is,three factors were probably in play for your grandpa: first, he probably didn't have a lot of money to spend on it so he just hunted with what he had. Second, there just weren't the products abounding even if he did have the money to spend. For example,the difference in stuff like tree stands between 15 years ago and now - back thenI wouldn't have considered them because they were so crude and hard to use. Spending money on more essential stuff, we took the time andbuilt (and still do) simple to elaborate tree stands. But as the years go by, we find excellent commercial climbing and ladder stands. We think they are more comfortable and SAFER than the tree stands we build. Also, as deer patterns change, they can be moved around, are quicker to set up than nailing a home made stand together and, imho, are much safer year-to-year than a home built tree stand that rots over the summer. In essence, as the years go by, we trade $150 for the hassle of carrying lumber into thewoods, spending time building it, being more comfortable, and not having to worry aboutclimbing upboards nailed into a tree trunk and sitting on a platform that may be rotted from last year. But again, we didn't do this stuff right away, we're kind of "building and inventory of stuff" over the years as it seems to make sense and we can afford it.

Finally,there were about half the people in the country as there are now. Techniques could be simpler because of less pressure,and land owners were more receptive to hunters because they probably knew you (locals), just didn't get that many requests, and hadnt' been burned by a Bozo yet.

Just another point of view.

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Mad,
Do you listen tyo 8 track tapes or CD's? (just a rhetorical question)

Fact is that change is not always bad. Hopefully you would agree that modern tree stands are far more safe than the 2x4 and some nails treestands that some folks use. Is that bad?

Don't get me wrong, I own andhunt witha 30-30 but are there better cartridges out there. I would say yes. Is it wrong to use them? I don't think so.
What is wrong with packing a lot of things to hunt all day (possibly 12-13 hours at a time) ? I carry extra clothing with me to deal with the changes in temp or precipitation without having to hike back several milesto the truck. Is thatreally rediculous?

If I only get to hunt a 6-7 days a year why not make my chances the best possible. Like wearing Camo, Is it wrong? Is it better to wear blue jeans and a white tee shirt when camo is available to me?

There is nothing wrong with tradition. I just don't think that whenpeople take advantage of some technology it is rediculous.


couldn't the same be said about your grandfather when heused his 30-30 . I bet there was someone back thenlike you saying Geez, a 30-30, My granfather used a musket and ball to hunt. What'll they think of next.

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I never said any of it was WRONG, the whole thread was about how rediculas I think things are now days. My grandfather had money he worked all his life, and saved every penny, there was plenty of things to buy for hunting etc but he just chose not to do so. For example, I remember, he carried a .22 6 shot revolver everywhere he went with him. He ALMOST bought a .22 semi auto pistol and chose not to because his oppinon was that his revolver won't ever jam and it gets the job done without spending money on a new pistol and it was simple. And I agree. If you have the money to buy mossy oak clothes, a 400 dollar tree stand, a 300 magnum rifle with a 3x64 scope, the by all means do so, but its not going to stop me from thinking ...Deleted by CalHunter.... Then again, its your money, do what you will with it. I hunt in blue jeans, maybe a camo shirt and if its cold a heavy jacket. Something like a polar king or a carhartt jacket. I have an old classice summit viper but I more or less just hunt off the ground or climb a tree and set on a limb. I use a 30-30 because that is well over the fire power I need to kill a deadly deer thats out to get me.

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Now we know how you really feel: if you don't hunt exactly like me, you're an idiot. It's not wrong, it's only ridiculous. Because you know exactly what everyone needs for the type of hunting they do and it's exactly the same as you... But you're not sayingthey're wrong, using things that you don't,you're just saying they'restupid. Oooookeeey dookey. I understand perfectly...not.

By the way, some would say that hunting in blue jeans and a carhart (cotton) jacket is stupid. Not me - I know it depends on the type of weather you encounter. I prefer to be warm and comfortable and quiet when I'm walking through the brush.

I don't have any of the stuff you listed, but what do you think of these reasons for the guy owning that stuff:

Mossy oak jacket: he needed a jacket for hunting because he didn't want his "normal" jacket to get dirty, bloody and smelly. So he bought a jacket just for hunting. He found that many jackets with the features he wanted (synthetic insulation - better for wet), quiet fabric, etc. happen to be made in camo so he bought it. Maybe he bought the jacket for some sort of hunting that really does need good camo - like ducks or turkeys - and uses it for all his hunting.

400 dollar tree stand: Well, I don't know if you can spend $400, but maybe it's the one that he felt was safest and easiest to carry in the tough areas he hunts. Maybe he hunts a different place every day so he needs a portable. Maybe the areas he hunts aren't great for ground hunting or climbing trees?

300 mag rifle. Maybe he can only afford one rifle but hunts more than just white tail deer - maybe he also hunts mulies or elk or moose in wide open country where he needs a longer range cartridge with 30 cal slug? What's wrong with shooting a deer with a 300 mag? Same size hole as your 30-30, just far more versitile.

3X64 scope - you're probably just exagerating here, but see above for the rifle. Maybe he needs a high power scope for his other hunting and just sets it on 3 when he's hunting in the woods near you.

Obviously you have very limited experience in hunting and don't realize that there's legitimate reasons for all this stuff; just because you have never had the need doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

By the way, my gear is closer to yours than your "example" (basic outdoor clothing but very little cotton), a plain jane 30-06, a good Summit stand.), but I hunt with a lot of people who invest in good gear - because they actually have a need for it.

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Mad,
Is it rediculous to hunt out of a tree stand that is safer that a 2x4 and nails?

Is it rediculous to think that maybe my hunting land is made up heavy brush and getting above the brush to see deer is the only way to hunt?

I don't NEED anything more than a 30-30 (which I own) for the deer i hunt in the area I hunt. but is having another caliber of gun because I enjoy shooting different types of guns a calibersrediculous?

I hunt sitting against a tree also. Killed my first buck that way. Why is it rediculous to try other methods of hunting like using a tree stand?

So you recommend climbing a tree and sitting on a limb while holding a firearm ?(and we are idiots)

come on Mad. Do ya really?

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Jeez, my grandpa used to gripe about things the old fashioned way....at his family members and his buddies down at the coffee shop, now today everyone has these new fangled message board thingies.....it is ridiculous.

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Sounds like you'relike those damn idiots who use excessive firepower and ridiculously waste money on guns they don't need! Also glad youhave such a humble opinion of yourself.Hope you don't live in a glass house mad!

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I have an idea! Why don't we go back in time 50 years and live like your grandfather. OK everyone, are you ready?

Throw away any medicine that was invented in the last 50 years. That includes heart medicine, cancer therapy, newer and better insulin, and every bit of epilepsy medicine! Life will be better then!

Now you have to cancel your cable television, throw away your cell phone, and forget about having a security alarm on your house. I'm sorry to all of you that live in bad neighborhoods.

Now you need to get rid of your microwave, your digital watch, and your favorite space age insulated underwear. Remember, older is better!

Come to think of it, you might as well just kick yourself in the nuts and call it a day.

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I agree and disagree. People tend to over do it, but thats them. They aren't idiots. I keep things simple, but I wouldn't trade some new things, like my therma cell for anything.

Also, the land deal. Well here in the Southeast you can thank the timber companies for that. After they started buying up all the land, they seen a way to make money off of it by charging hunters. So, there came the invention of clubs and with clubs came all the land getting posted. Not to mention some hee haa tresspassing, falling in a hole and sueing them.

I personally think we all need to worry about the future of hunting and not the past. Land is getting scarce in many state. Anti's are getting bigger and bigger.

One of the biggest things where I hunt is the rich people buying all the land. I mean, how many thousands of acres can one man hunt?[:@]

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Nope, not all. But if you spend all kinds of money on **** you don't need then I think ...Deleted by CalHunter....

A good warm regular jacket from wal mart will do just as good as a 200 dollar mossy oak jacket. But I don't expect you guys to know that because you wouldn't set foot in wal mart, you only go to basspro and cabelas for the real expensive stuff.

You don't need "synthetic" insulation. If its rainning wear a rain coat. Quiet fabric.........?? YOu really do fall for the marketing ads for these things don't you??

If the amount of money one spends depends on how safe they feel, then maybe they should take up another hobbie.

Nothing at all is wrong, whats wrong is ...Deleted by CalHunter... have these big rifles and think they are Tom Beranger in the movie Sniper and try to shoot deer out at 300 yards. thats lunicy to me.

What the hell would he be hunting? ...Deleted by CalHunter...


I have plenty of experience. I have no use for all the ...Deleted by CalHunter... thats out there. No one else does either, they just think they do. I can or have killed just as many deer as you in your 400 dollar stand, sitting on the ground in work jeans and an old tee-shirt.

If you have any sense you wouldn't climb a tree with the gun loaded .

This one gets me, ...Deleted by CalHunter... If I said I bought a 7mm 5 years ago, and still have the same box of shells 5 years later after a few dead bucks and shooting a few times before the season to make sure my scope is still on target..........why would I be "one of thos ...Deleted by CalHunter... that use excessive firepower?????? did you try to attempt to read the rest of the thread. If your going to critisize, atleast lets have the WHOLE story and not just parts of it. I never miss, I never have had to shoot more than once, I have always killed the deer dead in his tracks. where do you get that from? I really want to know, has all that deer ...Deleted by CalHunter... you bought from cabelas ...Deleted by CalHunter...


the world would be alot better off if we did.


Now your just being immature and rediculas. Grow up.

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Wow, I think this post is getting a little out of hand. Ya'll know that kids read this stuff, right?

If you want people to hunt like your grandfather, teach your kids his ways. Get new people into hunting and teach them his ways.

A lot of things such as stands are a lot safer than back then. Bullets are faster, arrows are lighter. If you want to put down "modern hunters" all together, then you are no better than anyone else, neither is your grandfather. The ultimate "traditional" hunter would be the Indians or cave men. They killed animals with tools they made, while wearing little if any clothes.

I envy my grandfather too. He is the one who got me into hunting when I was only about 4 or 5. He is the first to take me, the first I was with when I seen my first deer. The one I was with when I killed my first deer. He also hunted with a 30-30 and a 1100. Before that he used only the remington with the button, i can't remember the model with buckshot..not slugs. But I don't critize everyone else for not being like him.

It doesn't matter if someone shoots a davy crocket black powder or a .50cal sniper rifle, if they aren't good at what they use, then yes they will miss and wound. I do agree that you should be good at what you use and some people do think that a $1,000 scope is going to make them better and make up for lack of time at the range. Fact is, if you don't practice, you could miss with a nuke.

As far as the name calling and stuff goes. Just think what a PETA member would do with this thread.


I have a business degree, so yes, I will be the first to tell you that a lot of things out there are gimics that are for the hunters and not deer. Most people don't even realize the research that goes into marketing products to customers. Do you know why most fast food resturants use bright colors? Such as red and yellow? Psy's claim it causes hunger.

Its like this, to him, his own. Going on forums and starting arguments with other hunters just b/c they don't agree with you isn't a good sign of maturity on anyone's part.

Just go out and have a good time in the woods.

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Mad.,
Why did you buy the 7MM? You don't need it do you? If you spend your money on things that you don't need you are an idiot right?
Why did you kill those 5 bucks with the 7mm? The 30-30 was all you need right?

Please show me where I said that you climbed the tree with a loaded firearm. You're the one with the high reading level right? so show me.

I bought 3 of my 4 guns at WalMart. So who are you talking to when you say "you guys" You are not generalizing are you? lumping all hunters that are not you into one group.

How do you know what someone else has use for. That's what you said right? that you dont have any use for all that **** out there and no one else does. So are you telling me that someone hunting out west in open country has no use for more than a 30-30? Sure you can get close. I'm surprised you don't use a knife
Do you own a TV? radio, Cell phone, Computer? Now tell me why you NEED them because remember if you buy something you don't need then your an idiot.

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Madboar your whole post is an oxymoron. Bitching about people hunting with newtechnology on the interent does not do much to support your argument. I doubt your grandpa had any internet, computers, etc.....

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It was a present from my wife, instien.

The gun was free from my wife, I wanted to use it. Yes the 30-30 is all I need. that is what I use.

Opps, I am sorry you said

thats even more rediculas. theres nothing wrong with that. what's the idiotic part about that?? I don't see one.


I would very much like to.

Thats funny. I have no use for any of that. When I first married for the first 5 years we had no tv or phone. I did not see any need for it. And I do not have a cell phone becaue guess what? I don't need it. And if you drive and talk on it at the same time you don't need one either.

thats correct, your begining to learn something after all.

No they need a sling-shot because they are idiots. why do that when you can hunt deer close and safe and for a sure kill shot at close range in the woods and not in open country. Not to mention to answer your question again, people wouldn't settle for a 7mm. In open country idiots would be trying to buy a tank or maybe an AH-64 apatchie.

YOu must be one of the kids someone was talking about that gets on here and reads the stuff on this site. My post clearly has a straight forward body.

sorry to rain on your moment of clearity but the two have nothing to do with each other.


No he didn't and you know why?? Because there was he had no use for it. If he was alive today, he wouldn't have any use for it.
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Are you telling me that your wife bought something neither you nor her need?
What have you been calling that type of person?
Now go appologize to her immediately

So for the first 5 years of your marriage you were not an idiot. Now you are since you have a TV you don't need?

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uhm...not spoiling on yer little parade here, there are many parts of the country there's not a single tree for miles...maybe you don't know cause you probably have no car..you prolly never been anywhere , i guess hrose and buggy isn't that quick afterall


btw ...you had no use for a TV phone and/or cell phone and prolly still not , so what are you doing online ? you all of a sudden *need* a computer ?

listen this thread is going way out of hand... everyone should do what every wants to do , that keeps the economy alive...if you feel you have a better chance with a camo jacket then with a regular jacket, then by all means go for it. if you can afford it why not ?.

If i would feel that i would have a better chance with a camo jacket wich i do , i wear one...i feel better that way when i'm hunting...there's no worser feeling sitting in the woods not feeling 100% confident...that's how deer get wounded...

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As demonstrated soon after landing here, we have an individual with some anti-social tendencies here. Probobly not worth bickering with. Hissy fit could ensue.

mad&boringman:

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Watch it boys! Best tred lightly and watch your backs. This dog sez he's got some bite for after the bark. (squeel little piggy!)

mad&boringman: I think we would all like to think of back when it was so simple and romantic. But times have changed alot. No one sez you have to go with the changes. it is a wonderful world where you can pick and choose how you want to do things. No one will force anything down your throat - so just try and calm down.

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True,
This is tha same guy that in one of his posts he says he hates Walmart then tells people in this post that you can get good warm regular jacket from walmart , and busts people chops about going to bass pro or cabelas instead of walmart.

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Oh and by the way Instien (that cracks me up).
earlier in the post you said YOU bought the 7MM. Now all of a sudden when you get busted on it you break out the old ... my wife bought it for me...

Good job, blame the wife on being the idiot instead of you.
Have you apologized to her yet?

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Yup, yup, yesireee.

I went back and re-read it several times. I don't need glasses, it's all there in black and white. Said HE ("I") bought the rifle, and....... HE ("I") bought a box of shells, 20 in the box, still got that box, killed all the deer in the county, killed two with one shot (behind Walmart-not Bass Pro!), killed another with a richochet shot ......

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Did I step in poop or is that smell something else?

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I don't think you stepped in anything, its your thumb prints . HA HA HA. You rednecks are a waste of time. You are like a bunch of dumb dogs. I give up. I think trying to talk to a bunch of retards that can't read is the most difficult thing I have ever done. Good grief, its enough to drive someone insane. While your wasting you rmoney on super secret, scent free clothes and super duper rifle I'll be spending mine on my 30-30 ammo.

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So long. It was nice to meet you for such a short time. Don't forget to take your meds.

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I hope in preparing for the IBBF Nationals he is lifting stones and logs and not using any of those unneeded new fangled Iron weights, Cause when my grandpa was a bodybuilder he never used iron weights, smith machines or anything like that.
Hope he's not using any of the products from GNC like Whey proteins, weight gainer products, creatine, vitimins etc. cause back in the day. All you needed was to chew on some meat and you were good to go. No need to use improved products over what they had 100 years ago when men were men hey Mad.

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all i ever use is a 3.75" hickory switch, there free, and a hunt is much more enjoyable when the fight last 3-4 hours, instead of shooting one with a GUN??????????, and no fight, wow how sporting, you probably the kind of guy that would shoot a squirrell, give me a break, i catch'em bare handed, just like my granpappy used to do

i love troll's they taste like chicken, i mean act like chickens

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My grandpappy used to take deer by jumping on their backs from a tree, breaking them like a bronc and then when they tired, he'd bite their jugular out - and he didn't have any teeth! Gut them the same way!

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I feel guilty now. See, opening day is saturday and I was going to use my ground blind to hunt out of with my compound bow.

Does anyone have a REALLY sharp stone I could throw instead? I'm burning my camo as we speak. anyone have 2 sticks i can rub together to get the fire going?

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Quote-And I agree. If you have the money to buy mossy oak clothes, a 400 dollar tree stand, a 300 magnum rifle with a 3x64 scope, the by all means do so, but its not going to stop me from thinking your a complete idiot... Guess its tough to come up with the money for these things since you gotta pay lot rent for that trailer every month...

Quote-I think trying to talk to a bunch of retards that can't read is the most difficult thing I have ever done... Oh I can read just fine,but it would help us all if you dusted off grandpas ol' copy of websters dictionary and used it!!!

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For a hoot, check out his posts in Hunting Gear Reviews (both have Summit in title). We're dealing with a real man's man, a body builder! Why am I thinking steriod rage? Why am I also thinking of the other side effect of using that sort of stuff...er... what do you call it? Shrinkage! Quit teasing the kid, guys! He's just trying to compensate.

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Did I miss something? 20 rounds of 7mm. New rifle. I assume the riflehad to bezeroed in. 5 bucks. And a few rounds each season to make sure it's still holding zero? By my count, you average .75 rounds per shot! I'm not calling you a liar, but maybe exagerated to make the point? Maybe the entire post was a slight exageration to make a point? Never too late to back down. I understand your view that things tend to go overboard, but remember when you claim one thing is the best, you are by default calling someone else's thing the worst. Kinda sounds like a lot of egos got hurt here. Fun to read though.

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"I am Lothar, King of the Hill People!!"

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Me no need gun, me have enormous muscles as to squeeze deer to death. Me no need knife because me have manchild hands as to rip off meat i need. Me am mad because technology makes me look not too smart.
"I am Lothar, King of Hill People!!"

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ok i just got done reading this and this kids is dumb as hell for one thing i use to hunt outta carhart offet and you know what i bought camo and wow did i ever see more deer that way also i hunt with a 30 30 and guess what when i can i will buy a new gun and it will be a 270 but you know you come on here and you start talking bad to everyone and when you get cought up in your own lies you talk down on ppl i bet you arnt married i bet you are only a lil 14 year old kid tryin to be cool and make your self feel better cauze one day you will understand when you grow up

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LOL :D:D:D:D:D:D

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Dang, I think ya'll ran old madboar off just when it was getting good. He may be trying to get that muscled up foot out of his mouth.

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Ridiculous

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no timbercruiser...its spelled rediculas ;)

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Big muscles,
Big mouth,
Small mind,


:D
Hank