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krub6b 10-12-2005 11:17 PM

I was wondering if anyone could tell me of a good website to compare multiple brands of ammo. preferably in 30-06. thanks

TomFromTheShade 10-12-2005 11:25 PM

RE: ballistics
You can go to the manufacturer's sites and write stuff down:

krub6b 10-12-2005 11:27 PM

RE: ballistics
I've down that,but was looking for ballistic graphs. And so far I can't find one for Winchester Super-x 180 gr. power point in 30-06. It'd be really nice to figure out why my gun isn't sighting in right with my new scope.

TomFromTheShade 10-13-2005 02:31 AM

RE: ballistics
There could be something wrong with your scope, or maybe you got a bad batch of ammo?

TomFromTheShade 10-13-2005 02:33 AM

RE: ballistics
This is what Winchester says that your rifle should shoot with the 180 grain power points. This ofcourse is with a 24" barrel.

@ muzzle.......2700fps.......2913ftlbs.......---
@ 100 yds.....2468fps.......2433ftlbs........0.0"
@ 200 yds.....2247fps.......2018ftlbs.......-4.2"
@ 300 yds.....2038fps.......1659ftlbs.......-15.4"

I hope that this helps some...maybe you have a shorter barrel? Maybe your scope is off? Maybe you got a bad batch of ammo? I don't know. What is your gun doing to make you think that it is off?

thndrchiken 10-13-2005 05:44 AM

RE: ballistics
this should help you out, this is using the velocities Winchester/Olin say the load produces. Using my FN mauser 30-06 as the test subject, 24" barrel with the reticle at 1" above the barrel, 2x7x32 Vari-X 2. 2.7" high at 100 yds for 200 yd zero.

krub6b 10-13-2005 08:07 AM

RE: ballistics
For some reason I would be on at fifty yards which winchester says is .1 inch lower than the bullet should be at 100 and then not even close at 100. I quit shooting after 10 rounds and decided I should figure out if there was something I overlooked but I can't come up with anything. I'm going to try a new box of shells and possibly go back to my old scope if I can't get it worked out soon.

krub6b 10-13-2005 08:09 AM

RE: ballistics
afterlooking at thndrchiken's graph I think winchester had a misprint on the drop the bullet has at 50 yards and that's what was throwing me off.

Paul L Mohr 10-13-2005 01:29 PM

RE: ballistics
I use this sight.

It has a decent ballistics calculator as long as you have the info to put into it. I use it quiet a bit for my Muzzle Loader when working up loads. It seems fairly accurate for me most of the time. Even when I am sort of guessing at the velocities since I don't have a Chrono.


krub6b 10-13-2005 03:40 PM

RE: ballistics
Thank for the website Paul it confirmed what Winchester's website says. I think now I'm gonna try and borrow a bore sighter and start at 100 yards and then move in to fifty to see what changes. Hopefully it's not the scope.

zekeskar 10-13-2005 03:57 PM

RE: ballistics
I'm just curious about what you're having happen - are you saying you're right on at 50, but off the paper at 100?

krub6b 10-13-2005 04:40 PM

RE: ballistics
Yes, I go from a three shot group of about 1.5-2 inches to shooting god only knows where. I don't know what is goingon. If it was the scope I shouldn't be able to group like that, and everything on the ballistics says I should still be almost dead on. But something is definately not quite right.

zekeskar 10-13-2005 05:20 PM

RE: ballistics
wierd. is it windy? Let us know what you figure out.

thndrchiken 10-13-2005 05:24 PM

RE: ballistics
I wouldn't be too sure about that. There are a number of things you should check. I would start with ensuring the bases and rings are tight, check the action screws, then try a different load. I can tell you personally, just a couple of weeks ago I was at the range and the 06 was printing 4"groups with a load that is consistantly inside 3/4-1 1/4". Checked the action screws and sure enough the front one was loose.You didn't say what flavor of firearm this is so it can be anyone's guess. The ww 165 gr pp out of my FN only produces 3" groups.

strut 10-13-2005 07:08 PM

RE: ballistics
Do you have see-thru rings on your rifle?

krub6b 10-13-2005 08:42 PM

RE: ballistics
I have a Remington 710 that dosen't have see-thru rings on it. And no I haven't checked any screws yet and it wasn't windy. The next chance I have to shoot will be the weekend of the 22nd so I should have some more news than

DevoMR 10-14-2005 01:14 PM

RE: ballistics
I've always had the best luck starting at 25 yards. Get your rifle boresighted, then get it so it is dead-on at 25 yards. Then move up to 100 yards and you should at the very least be on thepaper.

stubblejumper 10-14-2005 01:38 PM

RE: ballistics
I just boresight using my bushnell boresighter and I am always on the paper at 100 yards and usually within 6" of dead center.

bspencer 10-14-2005 07:26 PM

RE: ballistics
are you using a bench vise?......... or shooting freehand?............I know im a lousy freehand shooter at targets at i moved into 25yrds and was dead that satisfied me

stubblejumper 10-14-2005 09:07 PM

RE: ballistics

ORIGINAL: bspencer

are you using a bench vise?......... or shooting freehand?............I know im a lousy freehand shooter at targets at i moved into 25yrds and was dead that satisfied me
Be aware that if you sight your gun in using any type of vise device,it could result in a different point of impact than you will get using sandbags or field positions.Using a vice that prevents normal recoil can also result in cracked stocks with heavy recoiling rifles.

paul s 10-16-2005 09:58 AM

RE: ballistics
I have the same problem and I found a recall on those shells.

Winchester Super-X 30-06 Springfield Ammunition Recall
Olin Corporation, through its Winchester Division, is recalling one (1) Lot of its Super-X 30-06 Springfield, 180 gr. Power-Point (S.P.) ammunition (Symbol Number X30064).
Through extensive evaluation, Winchester has determined that a small number of rounds of Lot 137HF22 Super-X 30-06 Springfield, 180 gr. Power-Point Ammunition may contain low powder charges. These low power charges can cause a squib or weak shot, which could result in a bullet remaining in the barrel after firing, obstructing the barrel. Firing a second shot into the obstructed barrel will cause firearm damage, and will subject the shooter and bystanders to a risk of personal injury.
DO NOT USE WINCHESTER SUPER-X 30-06 SPRINGFIELD, 180 GR. POWER-POINT LOT NUMBER 137HF22. The ammunition lot number is stamped on the inside of the flap of the ammunition box.
To determine if your ammunition is subject to this notice, review the Lot number. If it contains Lot number 137HF22, return the ammunition to Winchester at this address:
Olin Corporation
Winchester Division
427 North Shamrock Street
East Alton, Illinois 62024-1197
Attention: Product Service Department
30-06 Springfield Recall

Winchester will send you coupons good for replacement ammunition from your local Winchester dealer.
This notice applies only to Lot 137HF22. Other Lot numbers are not subject to this recall, and should not be returned to Winchester.
If you have any questions concerning this Super-X 30-06 Springfield, 180 gr. Power-Point Ammunition Recall, please call: (800)852-5734 (Except Alaska, Hawaii and Canada) or (618)258-2870 or write to the above address.
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krub6b 10-16-2005 02:31 PM

RE: ballistics
thanks for the info on the recall. I need to check that out so that I can make sure low powder charges aren't giving me any problems.

paul s 10-28-2005 04:09 PM

RE: ballistics
Have you shot your gun again?

James B 10-28-2005 06:27 PM

RE: ballistics
There is something wrong with your scope or you are jerking and flinching. If you get it absolutely dead on at 25 yards then move your target out to 100. Use a good size piece of cardboard behind your target to remove all quess work. If your dead on at 25, you shoul be high or low a bit at 100 but your right and left should be pretty awful close unless you have a strong cross wind.

krub6b 10-29-2005 11:37 AM

RE: ballistics
no, I had to stay at school this weekend and write a paper so I won't get to shoot til next weekend, one weekend before season[:@]

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