bloodrunner problems
 

is anybody shootin the nap bloodrunners . if so have you had any problems with the set screws tht hold the blades fallin out and losing the blades . thats what hapend the first time i shot one into my block . dont know if i got a bad batch or anybody else had the same problem :bash:

Ryan I haven't got mine yet shouyld be this week and then I will let you know..

I saw on another forum where folks were having issues with blades falling completely out of the head after shooting into a layered foam target like a block. The idea and theory behind the heads seems great but durability sounds like an issue. Mulitple folks reported the same finding with the heads, imagine how bad they would bust if they hit bone and tissue.

ive looked into it and it seems to be a comon problem people have bn having with them

I shot mine the other day and had no problems. But since hearing this I put a dot a goat tough ontop of the screws to keep them from backing out.

I discussed this problem with one of NAP's engineers yesterday. The first order of Bloodrunners NAP recieved didn't have "loc-tight" applied to the small screws. This has cause some of the screws to come un-screwed easily.

All current and future Bloodrunners won't have this problem. If you got one of those early broadheads, give NAP a call, I'm certain they will take care of you!

Hopefully they use the medium loc-tite note the red. otherwise you will never get that small screw out.

hey todd , is there any way to tell the bad batches from the good ones

Not that I know of - but just double check the tightness of the bolts on them before shooting to make sure. If you need to, just call NAP and talk with them - find out what they recommend. They have been in the buisness forever, but with any new products and in manufacturing, stuff happens! They will take care of you!

got 2 new pack's today had no problems with the new heads and they fly awsome . cant wait to sling one and really test them out . ive shot muzzy for the last 15 years and im very happy with the switch . hats off to nap . :happy0001:

Shot mine yesterday for about 50 shots into a block and no problems with them at all. I am very impressed with the way these babies fly now I just need to put a couple through some boiler rooms to see how they really work..Walt

told nap about the problem they sent me a new pack of the black bloodrunners and some of the practice heads no questions asked . couldnt believe it , good customer service is hard to find these days . you got a good sponsor there todd

Well guys I smoked my eight point with a bloodrunner at 50 yards the only problem I had was penetration but what do u expect at 50 yards. The hole was huge

i cant wait to let one of these bad boys go on a deer . did you get into bone with it

It went straight through a rib bone and stopped at opposite shoulder

very nice , was he a bleeder

Couldn't really tell, it rained alot, but there was blood so i dunno.

I discussed this with Todd the other night and done some pondering on the situation.

As the arrow flys, it only has so much energy, while this arrow is in flight it is in the form of kinetic energy. Now once the arrow is in flight it only has so much energy. When any broadhead/arrow combo makes contact with an animal it starts to exponentially loss energy. With and mechanical broadhead, it takes a certain amount of energy to open/activate the blades. What makes the bloodrunners slightly different from other heads on the market is they are spring loaded, therefore there require energy to keep them open.

With broadheads that just blow through a deer, then you have all this wasted energy once the arrow passes through. What makes the bloodrunner special is that it seems to be designed to transfer as much energy as possible into the animal, once the arrow has dissipated all its energy and stops, then you have a RAZOR sharp broad head just cutting the shizzle out of everything it touches inside the animal. This provides a quick fatal end to the event. Basically, if the deer runs its dead, if it don't run its dead.

That all made sense to me, i don't know if it sounded stupid to everyone else, who knows. Chime in guys.

I had the chance to smoke a doe at 20 yards with this broadhead Sunday morning and you talking about a MASSIVE wound channel, but no passthrough. So who knows.

Cory

That's the key point - you are putting 100% of the energy into an animal, not 80% into the animal, and 20% into the ground.

I've shot 1-3/4" cutting diameter expandibles for years now. Very rairly will I get pass throughs unless the animal is perfectly broadside. Many times I would only get 12" of penetration as most of my shots were quartering away and I would hit heavy bone or mass on the opposite side shoulder.

I don't care if I get a pass through or not when blood is hosing 8 ft. out of a wound and I can see the blood trail for 50 yards before getting out of my tree. Very rarely does a deer even make it out of sight for that matter! When I get results like this, I don't care what my arrow does. It kills em dead, and fast! That is what I want to do, I don't care about two holes as much as I care about causing the most tissue damage as possible on an animal. That is what kills them fast!

I always WANT to have two holes. Does it always happen, nope. Anyone who has spent anytime in the woods hunting will tell you things do go wrong. There is not always that 100% perfect shot, and therefore not always those 100% perfect hits, blood trails, recoverys, etc...

I have shot deer high, as in an extreme angle from a stand, and if there isn't an exit hole, there will not be much blood at all pumping up and out of that high entry hole.

I am anxious to see some photos/video of many of the new heads this year, including the Blood Runner.

Mark

ive never shot mechanical before so i got high hopes for these weapons of mass destruction . i love the concept . mark , hopefully i have a picture to post for you in a couple of weeks

Here is the bloodrunner aftermath on a doe

Geeze dude, I'm trying to eat some lunch here man! he he he...

One other point that needs to be brought up. Not everyone is hunting animals that have the body size and mass of the deer that we are hunting. Most of our big bucks go between 250-300+ pounds on the hoof. When you get an animal with a body that big, the shoulder and upper back areas are so heavy with muscle, bone, and cartelidge - your talking a different animal than blasting through the back of normal sized deer on close shots, etc...

This is why I aim low, and don't like having my stands high. Give me a 10 yard, hard quartering away shot to open up those vitals and give me as large of target as possible. You hit em high or forward, you are asking for trouble regardless of the head. Give me 12-15" of penetration with a big cutting mechanical, on an angle from back to front, and I'll jam it into the opposite side shoulder everytime! Both lungs, possibly the liver, and possibly the heart. That kills em dead fast!

Most of the pass-through "heart or double lung" shots I've had have gone farther than the above shot. It has more to do with tissue (vein, artery, major organ, and muscle) damage than anything I believe. On an angle, you have more cutting distance (more damage), than on a straight double lung pass-through! It's simple physics. Lenth x Width x Depth = cutting area!

Another doe another amazing bloodrunner hole.

Todd - You're shooting an Elite now! It don't matter brother!!!

Mark

all this talk of killin is makin 19 days seem like 100