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Colockum elk hunters...A Must Read!
Wonder why they want to make the Colockum a SP only area..............Or close many of the few roads still open? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hntwa from HERE............................... Remember about one year ago when THE REEL NEWS reported on the secret meetings that WDFW was having with the tribes? The main purpose of these meetings was to expand the various tribes hunting and fishing rights, and the areas to which these rights applied. As stated, it was to allow them into more traditional non-tribal areas. The tribes felt they should be allowed to hunt on the same land non-tribal hunters do using their laws. I have seen first hand what these rights amount to. Long time readers know that I elk hunt in the Colockum Wildlife Area in Eastern Washington. My family settled in this area around 1880. At one time my grandfather owned or leased in excess of 3,500 acres, and along with two other families, was in the process of purchasing all of that and more. His untimely passing at a young age resulted in my grandmother selling his holdings to Washington State. My Uncle Neil owns the section of land that remained. It is the Colockum Ranch. The road from the Wenatchee side accessing the Colockum, runs past his and my cousins property. They see what goes up and down this road. What they saw a lot of this summer was truck loads of dead elk. Starting at the end of July, as soon as antlers mature and harden, Yakima tribal hunters are decimating the Colockum elk herd. On the last Friday of deer season in the area, my dad and brother saw Indian hunters with a very large 7 point bull in the back. Nothing was open at the time for elk but the elk was dead, none the less. Relatives have seen truck loads of spikes, the only size bull us non-Indians are allowed to shoot. The man in charge of running the area has been told by his superiors, 'hands off." It is estimated by people in the area that the tribes killed 48 large bulls during the summer of 2008. My Uncle works very closely with the WDFW in the area. He tells me the Colockum elk herd is down by 1500 animals. All rules for this herd will change for the 2009 season. I really have a hard time comprehending the greed in these hunters. They are absolutely classless as far as hunters go. For my lifetime, the top of the mountain in the Colockum has been the elk preserve. It was donated land from one Arthur Coffin. He donated the land for the preservation of elk. Non-tribal hunters cannot access this land at any time. Absolutely no trespassing. Doesn't apply to the tribes. They not only kill elk in the preserve, they camp on it. This year it was estimated that over 40 hunters made up this camp at one time. The elk have had decades of conditioned learning that they are safe in the preserve. Not any longer. And if tribal hunters can't kill their elk by hunting on a game preserve, they spot light at night, and it is legal by their rules. Amazing. What is even more amazing to me is the fact that the Colockum elk herd was started by non-Indians around 1913. Elk were introduced to the area from the Yellowstone herd. Why do the tribes get to hunt for elk that weren't there prior to our putting them there? I asked this question and was told they have found drawings on caves near the Columbia River showing elk. According to the powers that be, this was enough to give them elk rights on the Colockum herd. I say it is shady closed door decision making at its worst. I have two references in my collection that state elk were not readily available in Washington, except for the Roosevelt's. In the diary of Lewis and Clark. Lewis wrote that the tribes on the Columbia River really liked elk meat and were quite willing to trade for it, as they didn't have a successful means of killing them unless one stumbled into a bear pit. I have read that the Nez Pierce traveled to Idaho for their elk hunts. In another publication I have, written by R. Roundtree about himself, he describes how he and his brothers had to travel to Idaho for elk. They settled the Pe Ell area prior to the Civil War. But. because now they found a drawing, all the history goes aside. Unless I am very mistaken about Indi-an traditions, they drew pictures of animals for reasons other than they were in the area. They would draw them to gain power over them for the hunt. They drew pictures in thanks for a successful hunt. Those pictures they found could have been elk killed in Idaho, which everything I have read shows both tribal hunters and non-tribal hunters went for Rocky Mountain elk, prior to their introduction here. Non-tribal hunters have to draw a permit to shoot a branch antlered bull. In 2004, when my dad and brother were drawn, 28 permits were issued. This year 3 were issued. Just when we thought the practice of not shooting big bulls was starting to pay off, the Yakima tribe is decimating them. Plus, they kill spikes and cows also. I would like to see the spike only rule go away. All it is doing is giving classless tribal hunters carte blanche on big elk. Another item I intend to pursue is getting my hands on the paperwork that had to have been drawn up when Mr. Coffin donated all the land to the state for the elk preserve. It has to contain language pertaining to preservation. Allowing tribal hunters onto that land is not preservation. I am thinking someone could take that information and make the state nervous. Hunting in this area has been going downhill for the past 3 years. Now we know why. When TRN sent out the questionnaires to the gubernatorial candidates, one of the questions was whether they supported these closed door secret meetings. Our newly re-elected governor chose not to respond. Guess what? We already knew the answer. Soon, elk in the Colockum will go the way of salmon, crab and the Nooksack elk herd, which was nearly wiped out by tribal hunters. ................................................TO HERE! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now would an entirely new Game commission appointed by our governess be a better thing? NO! At least we have some voice now, if we show up! var PS = "96690"; |
RE: Colockum elk hunters...A Must Read!
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I suggest you go and read what is here....... http://www.ynwildlife.org/tribalhunting.php ...... I will say up front I am not a Yakama indian...but I do get tired of them getting the blame for all the woes of the game world...YesI don't doubt that there are bad and unethical hunters amongst the ranks of the indians just as there are unethical hunters andpoachers amongst the white hunters!!! But not all indians are greedy and classes hunters, to make a statment like that is just plain out and out racist!!! You know it, and I know it!!!! Then you make the off hand remark that they are to blame for the decline of the salmon!! **** there were MILLIONS and MILLIONS of salmon in the Columbia before we got here!!! and what did we do?? we built Grand Coulee dam and that destroyed 1100 miles of spawning grounds!!! Do the indians get special hunting rights and privledges?? YEP!!! is it right??? I don't know....maybe some need to be taken away, maybe others enhanced....I can't say which..all I can do is continue to attend what dept meetingsI can and wright what letters I can...and hope that all can come together some place in the middle!!! I will tell you that if you are up at the preserve and you see indians in there get a license plate and other identifieing info and call the Yakama game office!! they will come and remedy the problem..tribal members are not to hunt there either!! nor is it legal for them to spot light!!!! if you get no response from the tribal game wardens then call their main office, they don't want the indians breaking the rules either!!!! |
RE: Colockum elk hunters...A Must Read!
This was a cut and paste from huntingwashington.com where there is MUCH more Check it out.
At least we don't have to deal with canadian grays yet. |
RE: Colockum elk hunters...A Must Read!
Ahhhhh!!!! I see, the old anonymous email!! LOL!!! I went and read it there no one wants to claim it there either!!!!
Let me get this straight you didn't wright it, but you obviously agree with it!! and now your just waiting for the wolves to come back so you can blame them also??!!??[&:] |
RE: Colockum elk hunters...A Must Read!
This ARTICLE was in "The Reel News" December 2008 Written by John Fulkwiler and he seems to know his cheot.
This (below) is NOT me either. Read carefully before going on a rant. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 272 Reply #3 on: December 22, 2008, 06:57:43 PM [hr] John is a good friend of mine and has written for the reel news for a long time and he is always very accurate in his reporting! You can pick up a copy of the Reel news at almost all the sporting good stores around the Seattle/Tacoma area. |
RE: Colockum elk hunters...A Must Read!
ORIGINAL: finnbear Ahhhhh!!!! I see, the old anonymous email!! LOL!!! I went and read it there no one wants to claim it there either!!!! Let me get this straight you didn't wright it, but you obviously agree with it!! and now your just waiting for the wolves to come back so you can blame them also??!!??[&:] Canadian grays can not come back, since they were never native to the area. Hopefully I will be long gone before they can expand into the area and wipe out what is left of the native species of wolf which I have walked to within 15 feet of one in the past. We have been hunting the area for 4 generations and SOMETHING has changed in this area in the last 10 years,and not for the good. The DNR has raped much of the cover in too many areas where there WAS escapement cover in the past and now we hear that there is a problem with bull escapement up there. DUH! When I started putting in for the "any bull S/P there were over 40 of them available and last year only 3. And you bet this summer and early fall I and others will head over there with cameras and video to see if such things are going on. SOMETHING is definatly WRONG up there! A little more info on Non native wolves [/align]These are pictures of two different, legally shot wolves that were also killing livestock. These pictures give an even better idea of the size of these animals as both of these men are around six feet tall.Imagine what a pack of 10 to 15 of these monsters can do to a herd of Elk. Now multiply that by 100+! That is the issue we face now. Not the Native Timber Wolf (the very largest about the size of a German Shephard dog) that we are used to is it? These big boys have all but eradicated the Timber Wolf. Where are the environmentalists on this issue? Doesn't the Timber Wolf have protection? The sad part is these animals have evolved in the Far North to hunt Caribu and Moose that are much harder to hunt and catch so their numbers were naturally held in check. But now that we have brought them down here with much easier to catch Elk, Deer and yes, even Bear, they are rapidly eliminating all mountain ungulate meaning it's only a matter of time till they turn on each other in a war of survival. They didn't ask for this fate, we brought it on them by bringing them down here where they clearly [/align] |
RE: Colockum elk hunters...A Must Read!
hopefully you'll catch some poachers!!!! yes you are right something is wrong up in the Clockum!! who's to blame?? I don't know...is it the indians? is it poachers? is it over hunted by an estimated 6,000 hunters?
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RE: Colockum elk hunters...A Must Read!
finnbear I really think we probably agree on more than we disagree. I was at the Ellensburg meeting last month,but due to a Dr appointment for my wife I can,t make this weeks.I believe they will only be announcing thier decisions anyhow.
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RE: Colockum elk hunters...A Must Read!
and they made all those areas in eburg and the colockum "true spike only" units
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RE: Colockum elk hunters...A Must Read!
The wolves are already in Washington (and Oregon). Supposedly these are not the native Cascades Wolf but migrants from Idaho. Our own Idaho wolf is probably gone by now, before the Canadian introductions they were hanging on but now I doubt it.
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