Getting the call to stay in your mouth
 

I got my first diaphram call last night and can make close to the right sounds. The problem I am having is getting it into position, then keeping it there.

I have to use my fingers to put it up on the roof of my mouth, then push it up and hold it with my tonque. If move my tonque it falls out, when I start yelping it slides forward, almost feels like its being pushed.

How do I get it to stay up there, does it need to be trimmed?

Thanks

-Bob

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First question, what call did you buy? Second question, is the tape keeping from going into place. If the first answer is a youth call of some form, it is to small for your mouth. If the second answer is yes, you need to trim the tape back. If you do this, do a very little bit at a time and trim until it fits. Next question, is it white tape, or one of the hard colored tapes. I personally use calls that have white tape. Chew it until soft and it makes a good seal. The hard tape was not comfortable and didn't seal as well for me.
Gselkhunter

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the call is from Mountain Hollow Game Calls. I bought it at an outdoor show from the guy who makes them. It's a double reed call. He suggested doing a single or double at first.

It has blue tape which is pretty stiff and seems to fit better the more I press it into the roof of my mouth which bends the call. I think I have a narrow pallete as well based on something my dentist said once.

I will try trimming it this weekend.

--Bob

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If I were you, before I started trimming it, I have ruined a couple calls by trimming too much, I would play around with it in my mouth to get it softened up. I like the HS strut mouth calls but some of the tape on those are pretty stiff to start out and it takes awhile to break them in so they fit well and sound good. You can always trim them, but you can't put the tape back on. JMO

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sounds like your new to mouth calling, do as the other guys have suggested,get used to the call being in your mouth and becareful not to swollow it,it will take some time and practice, you have choosen the right type of call, good luck

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Mouth Call Placement

The key to mouth calls is Mouth call placement. Having the call placed in the right area in the palette. Another good start is a clear call with two reeds, thats a call with no cuts in the top reed ,(Twin Two)or (Begginner's double). I have found that alot of first timers are getting on the Scream'in Green Pro Triple aswell. Do not start out with a single reed or Raspy calls.

A new call taken from the package ,should be creased down around the frame of the calls tape ,so that you can see the top and bottom(Tab) of the call. If wanted you can cut down the tape in size as well, but I suggest only taking off about 1/16th at a time untill comford is found. Do not bend the frame if at all possible, this will loosen the laytex reeds and sound will drop off.

The mouth call should be set with the front of the Laytex on the middle part of your tongue. When placement is found, If you don't have the placement right then all the words that you mimic will not help you. The mouth call should be placed in with the Tab of the call down, and the Longest reed up. A beginner should have the gagging refex as the tape from the call is at the back of the throat. Just slightly off the back part of the palette on the fleashy tissue. This is normal and will go away with practice.

By placing your middle front of your tongue up on the call , you will hold more presure on the sides of your tongue up against your mollers to stop airflow from exscaping. The main flow of air is going to travel down the center crease of your tongue and out your mouth. You want to try to keep your lips only open only a little and allow the air to come out under your front teeth.

By using your jaw, and your Lungs/Diaphram/Tummy, your going to huff air and use your jaw to regulate the airflow that is exiting your mouth. On every note the caller needs to huff some air out to produce the sound. With the volume of air and the jaw action working togeather, will allow one too take off and apply presure with your tongue too the reed of the call to make the sound needed. By keeping the presure on the reed and huffing air from your chest (Diaphram) and mimicing the words (That have been sudjusted) you should get some sounds that are close to the calls you want. Practice is the next step.

First - Place the call into the proper spot on your tongue and place the Mouth Call up into the Palette, Through your nose you are going to take a deep breath of air and hold it in your chest, slightly open your mouth and softly say the word HECK and stop the air flow on the K of the word heck. At this point your Call, Air presure and Jaw should be in right spot to try the word Kee - Yuk for the yelp. The Kee part of the call is the High note of the yelp. This note has more presure applied then of the Yuk part. With out taking your togue off the call and dropping your jaw you will get the low note of the Yuk. By keeping a steady flow of air exhaling and appling presure to the mouth call with your tongue and using a on and off presure with your Jaw you should get the proper sounds to make the Yelp.

Yelp - 2 note call High and Low - Kee - Yuk or Che-Yuk speed the two togeather,
Kee or Che being the high note, and Yuk being the Low note

Tree yelp- very soft quiet yelps and limited to 4-5 in a slower rythem,a odd soft cluck can be added aswell to the yelping.

Cluck - One note, fast and cut off quick - Buck, it should sound more like Buk.

Cut - its a Cluck only faster and broken up in beat- with high and low notes mixed -Buk,Pic,Buk,Buk,Cuk Pik Pik,Buk,Pik Cuk Buk,Pik Buk - kind of beat.

Cackle - Is a cluck also , only start off with quiet slow Cluck then into a fast series of clucks then tapered to slow low notes. Buk,Buk, Cuk Cuk Cuk Cuk Cuk,Cuk,Buk,Buk,Buk.

The Cluck,Cackle,and Cut are all Clucks only done with different Beat and Pitch.

Purr, can be done a couple of different ways , by a flapping of the front part of your lips , as kids would do a moterboat in water , or like gargling with mouth wash in the back of the throat allowing the viberations to travel on the front part to the reeds.

After learning the calls another calling success to practice is the Cadence and form of each call , Rythem,Pitch and Tone. This is another important part of a hunters success rate.

Learning to control the call the proper way on every call is a knack that not all can do. I believe Good Calling Comp's with Top knotch callers can help one be a better hunter when it comes to the calling aspect. Not every bird can be fooled,but it sure gives one a lead on presured birds. I believe woodsmanship also plays a roll in the hunt but put the two hand in hand togeather and you can have a deadly hand of success.

Tip:
Mouth Calls , tend to break down over a hunting season. As moisture exsorbs in the laytex and more volume and presure is added to the call to make it work, latex tends to stretch or slip from the frame and the life/sound of the call starts to slip. Buying new calls before the start of the season is a good idea.

Hope that helps out and gets you started on the mouth call.

Adrian J Hare, QuakerBoy Game Calls

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Bod H you might want to try a better quality mouth call. Knight & Hale, Quaker Boy, or HS Strut make some good ones. Try soaking your call in some mouth call conditioner or mouth wash/water...

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Bob H- I took the date off this flyer that I made up for his seminar. It should be sometime from the first to middle of April. I'll email you witrh the set date later if you want. You should come on up with your son and check it out. We have out different loads you can try for a $1 (keeps you from buying a whole box) and you can even try out choke tubes if your gun needs it. The seminar with Don is awesome part of the day;) You can ask questions during the talk or chat with him after it's over, he's there to help.

Duh[:o] I forgot to add the flyer!

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Before trimming it run some hot water over it for a few minets then put it in your mouth.

The hot water will soften it so it will confirm to the shape of your mouth.

Kinda like the mouth peace you put on your teeth for football.

Good Luck

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I can get the thing to stay in my mouth OK, but ....HOW DO YOU WORK THE STRIKER WITH YOUR TONGUE?:eek:

Great advice, guys!

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Thats kinda hard to explain. I learned by practice.

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Very good bf!!!lmao!!!!!!!!:D

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If the calls are to wide for your pallet, try the Quaker Boy mini-mags.

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Good luck with the mouth call. Like a couple of the guys said be careful when you trim them because if you take too much off they are not any good. Also wash them out and disinfect from time to time. Going from your mouth into the packet and back a bunch of times and the bacteria starts to grow. Some people get a sore throat after using one over the course of a few weeks. I usually use some listerine but I use it sparingly and be careful you don't ruin the membrain.

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Use your tongue to hold it in place. When you are hunting and finished calling move it to the side of your mouth between your cheek and gums. Like if you were chewing tobacco. Works for me. Its always available and I am not searching for my call when a bird shows up. Just my 2 cents

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I wonder if anyone has ever swallowed one?

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I knew a fellow that did that... He clucks when he coughs now.:)

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Good one barefoot

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Mk-m-gobl, I went to that last year, I think we have a mutual friend, Mike. If so me and my boys met you at Morse's last year before youth weekend, for a time you were going to help us call for my boys, but plans changed.

I can make the sounds, just not consistent now. I think its a position/fit thing now, just to chicken to trim it. My pallet is very thing and high.

Question, when I put my tongque up to hold the call in my pallete, where should my tonque be hitting the call. I think I position it to far back and my tonque in on the reeds.

--Bob

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OK I remember now! I was calling for a kid from ME with the video crew. Never did get anything for them last year. Trying to call turkeys while the young kid is playing video gameboy just doesn't work. Hope to see you again this year;) I believe it's on the April 17th.

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Game boys make it fun. We went 1 for 2, my 12 year old shot a 18 lb 20 minutes in, shot at about 20 feet. Older one with Mike had one but they repositioned to get away from a house and someone else shot the bird. Better safe and ethical that not, my son understood and agreed with the move. Kids switched rolls on youth deer weekend and 12 year old got skunked, 14 year old shot one!

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That's great they both got to at least tag this past year:D I think the kid I was calling for was way to young (6 years young) to be turkey hunting but they wanted to put him on a turkey hunting video. Went out three for four time and just had to pack it in after being busted each time. Told them to give me a call went he's 10 and we'll try it again;) Even though my tag was filled it was a great to get out and call for others and keep my season going. Doing my homework as a hunter to find lots of places to turkey hunt private and public land allows me to share what I know with others, young and old

So seeing your learning to use a mouth call means you'll be hitting the woods this year yourself? If you still need help ask Ron after the seminar is over to work with you one on one or stop up to the shop and talk to Jim. Tell your sons CONGRATULATION on the turkey and the deer:D

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Bob try the Quaker Boy mini-mags calls. They are made for a narrow palate. I use them almost exclusevely.