Long Range Patterns
#12
Giant Nontypical
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#13
Fork Horn
Join Date: Nov 2010
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The odds of getting 4 shot let alone 1 or 2 shot to hit that small vertebrae at a true 60yds is slim and none with a 20GA and that load. And again I don't follow the logic of you even posting the 50 and 60yd patterns here when they don't stack up to your 40yd ones. The same thing also applies like I said for a 250 10" pattern at 30yds and that is very much obtainable with a 20GA and that load with a good choke. You should easily be able to show us a 200 shot 40yd pattern at 40yds to even come close to getting 50 shot in a true 10" at a true 60yds and that is providing you only lose 80 shot over each 10yds instead of 100 shot. And I know of no 20GA gun that will do a true 200 shot 10" pattern with that same load regardless of what choke you use at a true taped 40yds. You can't and won't do this because you know I and any other person who is up on patterning won't buy a 200 shot pattern in a 10" at a taped 40yds with that same Hevi-13 20GA 1 and 1/4oz # 6 load regardless of the choke you shoot.
Last edited by Brad C.; 05-30-2013 at 02:32 PM.
#14
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Missouri
Posts: 156
There is a difference between all the #s you throw around as 100% fact and killing turkeys! I respect that you have a model that you go by and it works for you. I also believe some of us tend to be slightly narrow minded on what is ethical again I'm not advocating 60 yard shots with a 20 gauge I am simple saying "that turkey dies at 60 yards"
#15
Giant Nontypical
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All I said was "that turkey dies at 60 yards" you can infer whatever you want dispite not having 100 pellets. 20gauge keep in mind a little over half the shot a 3.5 in mag 12 carries.
There is a difference between all the #s you throw around as 100% fact and killing turkeys! I respect that you have a model that you go by and it works for you. I also believe some of us tend to be slightly narrow minded on what is ethical again I'm not advocating 60 yard shots with a 20 gauge I am simple saying "that turkey dies at 60 yards"
There is a difference between all the #s you throw around as 100% fact and killing turkeys! I respect that you have a model that you go by and it works for you. I also believe some of us tend to be slightly narrow minded on what is ethical again I'm not advocating 60 yard shots with a 20 gauge I am simple saying "that turkey dies at 60 yards"
Last edited by Topgun 3006; 05-30-2013 at 02:11 PM.
#16
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Missouri
Posts: 156
*** I'm not saying the target bird wouldn't be dead. My comment was based on your second sentence, which I read as saying you wouldn't shoot that far with that few pellets in the general kill area just like brad and I wouldn't! PS: I haven't tossed around any number in any of my posts and am well aware of the greatly reduced number of shot in a 20 gauge compared to a 12 gauge, especially the 3 1/2 inchers. That ls why some of us are questioning the pattern.
#17
Fork Horn
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 161
Well if you talk to Hal(hawglips) who has done probably more patterning than anyone I know on the internet with maybe the exception of Clark(allaboutshooting), he will say the exact same thing I said about losing 80 to 100 pellets in your 10" at each additional 10yds you shoot. That even goes for TSS shot ***********which is 18g/cc and a lot denser than lead or Hevi-13 or Federal Heavweight. Now if TSS will lose 80 to 100 pellets from 30yds to 40yds and another 80 to 100 shot each additional 10yds out to let's just stop at 60yds, and I have seen some of the 350 shot 20GA patterns that TSS #9's will put up with the heavier 20GA reloads of this shot to where I could see a true 150 10" pattern with it at that distance, but I don't see a 150 10" 40yd pattern from any 20GA putting up even a 50 shot pattern at a true 60yds.
Last edited by JW; 05-30-2013 at 04:33 PM. Reason: edited it out things for sale ~ JW
#18
Nontypical Buck
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Well if you talk to Hal(hawglips) who has done probably more patterning than anyone I know on the internet with maybe the exception of Clark(allaboutshooting), he will say the exact same thing I said about losing 80 to 100 pellets in your 10" at each additional 10yds you shoot. That even goes for TSS shot **************** which is 18g/cc and a lot denser than lead or Hevi-13 or Federal Heavweight. Now if TSS will lose 80 to 100 pellets from 30yds to 40yds and another 80 to 100 shot each additional 10yds out to let's just stop at 60yds, and I have seen some of the 350 shot 20GA patterns that TSS #9's will put up with the heavier 20GA reloads of this shot to where I could see a true 150 10" pattern with it at that distance, but I don't see a 150 10" 40yd pattern from any 20GA putting up even a 50 shot pattern at a true 60yds.
Yep ! all I got to say is This is old gobbler talking and a referral to the "Old Sugar Shot" quotes.
I'm done here , None of who you named has any idea how a Normal shotgun shell shoots in a good pattern. When you want to talk in the numbers that work in what shells are being used then lets talk, but don't give me your Chest pumped pattern numbers of shells that are not in the same league.
Everyone to their own, you boast Patterns and I'll kill the birds I hunt...
Done !
Last edited by JW; 05-30-2013 at 04:33 PM. Reason: edited out things for sale ~ JW
#19
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Missouri
Posts: 156
Yep ! all I got to say is This is old gobbler talking and a referral to the "Old Sugar Shot" quotes.
I'm done here , None of who you named has any idea how a Normal shotgun shell shoots in a good pattern. When you want to talk in the numbers that work in what shells are being used then lets talk, but don't give me your Chest pumped pattern numbers of shells that are not in the same league.
Everyone to their own, you boast Patterns and I'll kill the birds I hunt...
Done !
I'm done here , None of who you named has any idea how a Normal shotgun shell shoots in a good pattern. When you want to talk in the numbers that work in what shells are being used then lets talk, but don't give me your Chest pumped pattern numbers of shells that are not in the same league.
Everyone to their own, you boast Patterns and I'll kill the birds I hunt...
Done !