Hevi shot is impressive!
#11
While I do not have a real so called turkey gun.. I do hunt with a goose gun and that baby has a 3 foot barrel with a full choke. ( not a turkey choke) I know I would certainly be pushing it at 60 yards none the less. A shotgun is a shotgun.. Designed to shoot at close ranges. If you want to shoot long ranges then that is what a rifle is for.
#13
Fork Horn
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Missouri
Posts: 156
#14
Fork Horn
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Missouri
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I had this same debate as I did not feel you needed 100 pellets to still attempt a shot with reasonable confidence.
I'm not siding one way or the other as 60 yards does sound far with a 20 gauge but I have never seen your particular set up and Im the guy that was being ridiculed for recalling two accounts of witnessing turkeys being taken at long range.
#15
I'm sure Adrian will show you some of his patterns...he has some phenomenal patterns, regardless of how big the gun is. You'll see when he posts. I've seen them before...I'd feel comfortable using it as a 60 yard gun. I won't use my 20 at 60 yards, but it doesn't pattern nearly as well as his. 60 would be the absolute limit with my 12.
Wait...did I just say that Adrian had just as good a pattern with his 20 as I do with my 12? Well, reckon that's the way it sounds.
Wait...did I just say that Adrian had just as good a pattern with his 20 as I do with my 12? Well, reckon that's the way it sounds.
#16
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: NewLowell ,Ontario ,Canada
Posts: 2,765
I'm sure Adrian will show you some of his patterns...he has some phenomenal patterns, regardless of how big the gun is. You'll see when he posts. I've seen them before...I'd feel comfortable using it as a 60 yard gun. I won't use my 20 at 60 yards, but it doesn't pattern nearly as well as his. 60 would be the absolute limit with my 12.
Wait...did I just say that Adrian had just as good a pattern with his 20 as I do with my 12? Well, reckon that's the way it sounds.
Wait...did I just say that Adrian had just as good a pattern with his 20 as I do with my 12? Well, reckon that's the way it sounds.
No I don't use that #7 shot as here where I live #6 is the smallest shot one can use, so I did all my testing with all #6 loads. I'm not wanting to push the argument at all but I also don't like to be made out to be a liar or a wind bag ether. Its knowledge that I have gained by only spending money to get what I was after and I try my very best to forward info that I have learned, but some I guess just will not believe my word.
I have patterns and have tossed out many 40 yard patterns that are the same as I could post.
There are so many people that have turned this patterning testing into a computation between turkey hunters and have went way to far with this #7 and #9 shot that most of us hunters just plain ignore this topic. As being a part of Hevi shot it has gave me a nudge ahead to use up rather expensive shells that most hate to burn up just on targets in the yard or range. I don't ever have a problem with shells and am the one that pushed them in Canada for the turkey hunters.
Just back a couple weeks ago I sat on a setup with another prostaffer and had a gobbler in strut out at 50 yards. The bird was in the plain view strutting to the hen that came in but would not come closer. I asked my partner if he could take the shot and he said that it was pushing it with his gun, to go ahead and take the shot if I could. One Cluck - Head up- 20gauge bang- gobbler drops like a rock. Not one problem at all at 50 yards I will not even think twice. Done it a number of times.
Pattern Dencity is the most important in a good shooting gun....
#17
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Allegan, MI
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I've been reading and keeping up on these threads regarding long distance shooting and have to say that this BG post is a real low blow to a person who feels like I do that many people are stretching the distance way too far in a sport that is basicly thought of as a close up sort of thing. Isn't fooling a bird and not "potting" him out at these long distances just because you can what turkey hunting is really all about? I also agree that there are not that many guns or people that will shoot a pattern with enough pellets for close to a 100% assurance that the shot will drop the bird cleanly at the distances you guys are talking about. Ones on this thread that have the guns and have patterned them to do it is one thing, but as Brad has stated, for the most part all this is doing is making ones that don't have the proper equipment and time invested to insure a bird is cleanly taken think they can do it. I use a 2 3/4" chambered Model 1200 I bought in college back in 1967 and will not shoot at a bird past 40 yards based on my patterning and the pure fact that if I can't get a bird within that distance I'll let him win the battle that day and go after him again another day.
Last edited by Topgun 3006; 05-24-2013 at 07:01 PM.
#18
I pattern my guns with a beer can on a arrow shaft... i dont count pellets for ****, I go for how many holes i put in a 3d target so high off the ground at so many yards... if its outside of the width and length of a beer can.. then its irrelevant...
Hevi shot, 50 yards
I like seeing the pattern in paper... but a beer can works just as well
Hevi shot, 50 yards
I like seeing the pattern in paper... but a beer can works just as well
#19
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: evans. colorado
Posts: 106
long range
i think most of these post are disgusting, they are making more hunters worse at the sport than they already are, leaving more cripples in the field. you are trying to change the game from a hunting experience to a killing experience and that is not sport, plan and simple. do i believe some of these patterns, sure do, they are not for very many and shouldn't be for anybody. can my .257 shoot an antelope at 700 yds. sure can but only fools try. life will go on if you don't harvest a turkey and in the mean time you could put some effort in on learning the fun of hunting and seeing what a beautiful bird they are up close
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