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Sheridan 03-29-2010 05:56 PM

If you want to kill a big Tom ?
 
First follow link;


http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/te...box.jsp.form23



Put a real tail fan on and cut the sides of the decoy and slide in real "fanned" wings.

Leave everything else in the car/truck.................bring your gun !!!

I have never see ANYTHING like it.........it WORKS !!! :poke:


As soon as they see it, shut-up and get your gun ready !!! :barmy:

hunter0206 03-30-2010 06:45 AM

Oh yes, I have been using this set up since Pretty boy and Pretty girl came out a while back. It is the most amazing thing I have ever experienced in the turkey woods. When the toms see Pretty boy they come running...Awesome! It is amazing how the real fan and wings make that decoy look. Can't wait til saturday to put pretty boy to work!

JW 03-30-2010 09:26 AM

I tookk yor advice and - Well I shot that Tom but dang it how do you clean Plastic?

JW

Sheridan 03-30-2010 09:31 AM

Just got back from opening weekend in SoCal. One bird each day, both with 9.5" beards. The Pretty Boy with a real fan tail and cut the sides and put in "fanned" wings and place it near Pretty Girl. It should be illegal !!!

glassew 03-30-2010 11:19 AM

I worked a bird saturday morning, gobbling on the roost and occasionally when he hit the ground. The b-mobile was set out in full strut along with a hen. I never used decoys until recently since Alabama just legalized them in the last few years. Here he comes at 100 yards down a ridge across from me, and I hear him drumming as he walks up the hill towards me. He spots the decoys, turns right and leaves me wondering what the hell happened. I've seen videos where they work wonders but I'm still skeptical about decoys, seems like they are very situation dependent.

Buckhound 03-30-2010 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by glassew (Post 3604419)
I've seen videos where they work wonders but I'm still skeptical about decoys, seems like they are very situation dependent.

Very true, I've seen this in birds that get a lot of pressure. They'll spook at them just as good as they will work at times.

I do not use decoys for gunning to begin with, to me they are not needed, and would rather have a leary bird look for me than spot a decoy.

The times I do use them is on an occassional bowhunt, as when they do work, it aids in getting the bow back. But like I said, here decoys are 50/50 sometimes they work like a charm, and half the time they do not. i'll takethat gamble bowhunting, but gunning not a chance do better without them.

snewton_89 03-31-2010 04:35 AM

Pics?
 
Do you have pictures of the sides cut out to use real wings? I am not sure how to do it and don't want to mess up the decoy.

turk2di 03-31-2010 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by Sheridan (Post 3604334)
It should be illegal !!!

I agree..Many a old boss Tom has been killed over these things that otherwise never would have!!

Howler 03-31-2010 07:51 AM

Yip, I've seen it work like magic, but I've seen it ruin a good thing just as fast.

Sheridan 03-31-2010 10:09 AM

snewton,

I'll try to talk you through it by using the link to the picture of the decoy.


http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/te...box.jsp.form23

Cut along the line where the "colored portion" of the wing meets the black body, it's a fairly obvious line in the "shell" of the decoy.


Just cut a "slit" along that wing line.......................make it a hair longer so it can "slip" in the "slit" you made.

Place your hand on the underside of the "slit" and push on the "shell" of the decoy and slide the FANNED wing in; the tension will hold it in place.


You know that you have to "preserve" the tail & the wings with salt or borax in a "fanned-out" position for +/- 3 weeks first - Right ?

One thing is that the stake that the decoy comes with is a little short for the "real" wings; so that the wings touch the ground.

You can either cut the bottom of the wings or push the wings futher up into the "shell" of the decoy.

I liked the wings touching the ground this past weekend because it was really windy, and the decoy was moving plenty without "bobbing" on it's stake.

Lastly, make a cardboard "panel" for the tail and wings to transport them back and forth into the field.

It come with a carry back pack styled bag (put your cardboard "panel" in the carry bag with the "panel" flat against your back)....................go get'em !!!


BTW - I've used "other" decoys plenty..................not anymore !

snewton_89 04-21-2010 07:40 AM

Can you post a pic of what the wing looks like before and after putting it in the slit? I have a wing (in freezer), but need to preserve it. What is the best way to preserve the wing? Should I just cover it with borax and let it dry out or should I remove all the meat/fat then cover it with borax. I am not going to be able to use the wings this year, but I would like to get them ready for next year.

I am going to use the decoy tonight with a real fan and see how it goes.

Thanks!

snewton_89 04-21-2010 08:01 AM

Just found this for preserving the wing if anyone else is interested...


I would suggest not using the "preserve it" on the wings at all. There is far to much muscle tissue in the wings of a turkey. There are two ways of removing the meat from the wings... Well I should say there are many different ways of doing it... But here are the two that I use.
The easiest way would be to pull or skin the humerus bone, which is that first bone, the one that was connected to the breast of the bird. Skin that down to where it connects to the next set of bones. After you have it all the way you can remove the meat very easily. And if you want, go ahead and cut that big ball joint on the end of the bone off, use a hack-saw blade to do this if you have one. You won't need it on there anyway, it will just get in the way. Now that you have that done you will want to flip the wing over so your looking at the underside of it. Next your going to want to make a cut along the inside of the wing to remove the rest of the meat. Make this cut where the butts of the secondaries go into the skin. You will have to flip the smaller feathers out of your way to see what I'm talking about. All your going to do is cut the skin, don't remove the secondaries from the bone. The secondaries are the large flight feathers, if your wondering. After making the cut, skin just enough that you can get in there and remove the meat that is there. Also go ahead and skin past the next joint and there will be alittle meat there that you can remove too. After removing the meat you can just super glue that flap of skin back down.
But before doing that you will want to rub some Borax all over inside to preserve it good.
If you would like the second method just ask, but I think this would be the easiest for you and its the one I use all the time.
Alittle hint for the "preserve it" in the feet.... You will want to get some Glycerin and mix it with the preserve it... I've found that a 50/50 mix works best for me. Make sure the feet are nice and fresh when you inject them... If there alittle dried out just soak them in cold water for a couple of hours... If there really dried out you will have to inject them with some soapy water and that will bring them back to life again. Also your going to want to use a pretty good sized needle to inject with, so make sure you have some pins to plug up the holes from the needle so that all the good injection fluid dosn't run right out.. "T-Pins" work good for this. You can buy Glycerin at any local drug store...

Sheridan 04-21-2010 08:40 AM

snewton,

Yes cut out as much fleash as you can.

yes pin it "fanned" out on a broad.

yes, I use borax (some still use salt).

Same everything as you would preserve a fanned tail, but it goes in the, slits you cut in the sides, instead of the slit for the tail.....................??

This BB says my picture file is to big.(sorry)

Siman08/OH 04-21-2010 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by glassew (Post 3604419)
I worked a bird saturday morning, gobbling on the roost and occasionally when he hit the ground. The b-mobile was set out in full strut along with a hen. I never used decoys until recently since Alabama just legalized them in the last few years. Here he comes at 100 yards down a ridge across from me, and I hear him drumming as he walks up the hill towards me. He spots the decoys, turns right and leaves me wondering what the hell happened. I've seen videos where they work wonders but I'm still skeptical about decoys, seems like they are very situation dependent.

Ive been using decoys less and less the more i hunt these birds

snewton_89 04-21-2010 08:45 AM

I got it, thanks for your help!

snewton_89 04-21-2010 08:50 AM

I was skeptical at first but we used a b-mobile this weekend with great success. My buddy and I took two nice toms at 10 yards last Saturday afternoon. Three toms saw the b-mobile and approached it from behind to about 40 yards. They closed the last 30 yards in about 5 seconds. Sometimes they work...sometimes they don't. I'm taking a chance on it working tonight and tomorrow.

Siman08/OH 04-21-2010 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by snewton_89 (Post 3615842)
I was skeptical at first but we used a b-mobile this weekend with great success. My buddy and I took two nice toms at 10 yards last Saturday afternoon. Three toms saw the b-mobile and approached it from behind to about 40 yards. They closed the last 30 yards in about 5 seconds. Sometimes they work...sometimes they don't. I'm taking a chance on it working tonight and tomorrow.

I know what you mean, im taking a risk and using a Pretty Boy tommorow

G92 04-21-2010 09:53 AM

i use the no decoy method,its much safer,and i think your better off withoutone anyways,just my 2 cents:party0007:

Iowabucks44 04-21-2010 06:13 PM

How often have you had a submissive bird run off after seeing a Pretty Boy?

I use 2 hen decoys and a jake. The jake is a foam decoy that doesn't really even look good to me. I have been thinking of getting a Pretty boy or a B Mobile decoy. I may even have to find a hard shell jake and add a fan to that if i'm hunting the less dominant birds

DKA 04-22-2010 07:21 AM

This is true!

Sheridan 04-22-2010 09:44 AM

#1 I'm only looking for long beards.
(yes- it will run Jakes off, although some like using a Jake tail on their Pretty Boy for that reason)

#2 Decoys work early in the season (and where the birds DON'T get pressured).

#3 Don't use decoys late in the season............after they have been schooled by others (hunters?).


Most importantly: Do what works for you - that's what I do !


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