Turkeys and Dinosaurs?
 

I was watching NatGeo, and they had a thing coming up on Feb 8th about turkeys. From what I gathered, they're saying turkeys were velociraptors have evolved into turkeys? Just imagine next time your calling one in, that one one ferocious turkey back in the day [8D]

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Using cutting edge CGI, leading scientists and the latest dinosaur discoveries, Evolutions will take the viewer on an epic journey of evolutionary drama - Starting 230 million years ago one of the first dinosaurs, through the explosion of all the different shapes and sizes by the Jurassic, including the giant Diplodocus, and the group of dinosaurs that turned into the great American icon, the Turkey. We will see how catastrophic climate change, deadly predators and evolutionary dead-ends couldnt stop the dinosaur from evolving into the main course on the Thanksgiving table.

Sat Feb 2-8-2009on channel 276 At 8 pm

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I've also hear them say that T-Rex's evolved into ducks.

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If your looking for the truth, try asking GOD to show you. Its called Creation.

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How do people not believe in evolution?[&:]it just baffles me. but nack on topic, that show sounds interesting

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Seriously?

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In my personal opinion, it takes more faith to believe in evolution than to believe in creation. Like seriously, we're talking animals changing into different animals, and not having the DNA or anything close, to changing into that animal... mutation is the loss of genetic information and something completely different.
As for me, I know He created the whole world, and isholding itin His hands!
Hope i'm not making a debate outta this!

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hahahahahahahahahaha now thats funny :D:D:D:D:D:D

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apparently this isnt a far fetched as it sounds.after doing some research and asking one of my friends that teach a class of fossils, he said that it is more than possible. apparently the velociraptor had the trademark "bird" hip and hollow bones. he says it is more than possible.

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Well I guess that it is possible that we (humans) evolved from birds then since a birds wing bone structure is very similar to a human arm (sarcasm).
The wing begins with a large, thick bone similar to the human humerus.
Two thinner bones extend from the larger one, resembling the human ulna and radius.
The very tip of a bird's wing corresponds to the human hand, with two long fingers attached at the tip and a short thumb coming out from the side.

If evolution were in fact true why have we never seen or had documented proof of a species in mid transormation?

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We have. Link.

Read. Learn.

For example. We have documented evidence of evolution within out lifetimes from studies of Galapagos finches.

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the other thing you have to remember is that this transformation isn'ta "snap" overnight thing.
I understaand some people dont believe in evolution. if they dont thats their perogitive.

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poorcollegekid; I am afraid that link does not prove anything regarding evolution, it even states it does not. The closest it comes to proving anything is when it states that "The fossil record could show a chronological progression in which bird wings are gradually transformed into reptilian arms;"
I would like to apply emphasis on the word "could". The word "could" in that sentence provides a clear line of theory and conjecture, it does not provide proof.
Under the transitions from reptiles to mammals section of the article it even states "So far this series is known only as a series of genera or families; the transitions from species to species are not known."
Under the transitions from reptiles to birds it states "On the whole, though, this is still a gappy transition, consisting of a very large-scale series of "cousin" fossils."
I could go on, but I am sure you have read the article and can point on the many inconsistincies as well as I.

Second, we should not confuse adaptation with evolution, nor should we consider variation within a species evolution. For instance, there are hundreds of different types/breeds of dogs, but they are all dogs. We can cross breed to produce different traits within these dogs, but they are still dogs. The same can be done with all kinds of birds, fish, etc., but they all remain birds, fish, etc.

Third, there has not been one documented proof of a species in mid transformation, or of a species that has actually evolved ie. a bird became a reptile, a moth became a bird, a fish became a turtle, etc.

Fourth, in response to your mention of Galapagos finches. There are more color variations among pigeons than among any other animal or bird in the world. That is the result of only a couple centuries of intensive breeding by fanciers in Europe and America. In spite of the variations, they can all interbreed and are just pigeons.
The same can be said of the finches. There are currently 13 accepted species of Galapagos finches. A couple of centuries of breeding amongst themselves is the only thing that brought about these "changes". They are still all Galapagos finches. None of them have ever changed into pigeons, or anything else for that matter.


Lastly this from Darwin; "In fact the belief in Natural Selection must at present be grounded entirely on general considerations [faith and theorizing] . . When we descend to details, we can prove that no one species has changed . . nor can we prove that the supposed changes are beneficial, which is the groundwork for the theory. Nor can we explain why some species have changed and others have not."—*Charles Darwin, letter to Jeremy Bentham, in Francis Darwin (ed.), Charles Darwin, Life & Letters, Vol. 3, p. 25.

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mohunter; Sorry I did not see your post, but your comment about it not being a snap overnight thing should lend credence to the anti evolution view.
Since evolution is supposed to be a gradual change we should see some form of it in our everyday lives. For example (a wild one I know) in a reptile evolving into a mammal we should see...say an alligator with a hand or something of that nature as it slowly evolves into what it is supposed to become.

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I'evolved' into a better turkey hunter - Least in my own mind I think so - does that count? By hunting this bird I 'created' an incurrable disease and the only medication is to hunt more!


And at night my wife won't join me on the roost! This is not a bad thing at all - I sleep better!


and bet on it - I will be watching this Geo special Feb 8th.



JW

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I definitely agree Hurricane... There has never been a transitional form found, and going by fact, and all the fossils thathave been found; there should be hundreds, or even thousands found. And there have been many supposed forms, but they have all been proven wrong... This in itself is outstanding "evidence" in a sense.
Gerard

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Good post hurricane. Personally I have never held any belief in evolution. Adaptation? Yes. Evolution? No.

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my great-great uncle was slime. that's a fact.

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An evolution debate in the turkey forum. Awesome.

I usually get threatened to be banned every time one of these come up in the Religion forum.

FWIW, 99% of the people who think they understand evolution, have no idea what they are talking about.

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Heres a picture I found of one.
It looks like it wasn't a reptile, since it has feathers.
So it is possible, that it progressed to todays turkey.
Just a Theory.









http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velociraptor

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I agree with you on alot of your points hurricane.
I'm not sure if i necessarilybelieve in either point to any extent.there are to many facts and condensending points for me to be able to believe in any certain thing at this point.
All I can do is take what information there is and form a personal opinion based on that info.

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http://www.nature.com/nature/newspdf/evolutiongems.pdf

Subject 3 may help some to understand.

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It amazes me that any person with a brain would even consider evolution, as it is commonly thought of.

It's the religion of denial.