Why such a controversy over 3 1/2" shells
03-30-2006, 03:11 PM
#31
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location:
Posts: 13,082
RE: Why such a controversy over 3 1/2" shells
Howler, I am beginning to see your point. I admit I hadn't looked at it in terms of the # of pellets striking the bird. In that case, yes, I understand. But, each individual pellet still weighs the same and has the same energy. So, I would think then, that if someone says you can shoot a bird farther away because the load has more energy, I would think this to be innacurate.
Again, I have no problem at all with what someone uses. As long as nobody has any issues with me not using anything larger than a 3" shell......I think we'll all get along fine.
Not that I even care. I hunt with a bow anyway.
Again, I have no problem at all with what someone uses. As long as nobody has any issues with me not using anything larger than a 3" shell......I think we'll all get along fine.
Not that I even care. I hunt with a bow anyway.
03-30-2006, 04:44 PM
#32
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 25,116
RE: Why such a controversy over 3 1/2" shells
"but I remember those old paper shells"
I remember them too. I used to take the wax off the end and fill the shell with Crossman BBs and shoot through car fenders ata junk yard.
C7
I remember them too. I used to take the wax off the end and fill the shell with Crossman BBs and shoot through car fenders ata junk yard.
C7
03-31-2006, 04:29 AM
#33
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: SW Virginia
Posts: 353
RE: Why such a controversy over 3 1/2" shells
ORIGINAL: Rebel Hog
A typical high-brass load with 1 1/4 ounces of shot at a MV of 1330 fps fired in a 7.5 pound shotgun is much worse. It belts the shooter with 36.4 ft. lbs. of recoil. This is roughly equivalent to the kick of a .300 Ultra Mag. rifle. Average hunters should strictly limit the number of such loads they fire to avoid developing a flinch.
12 gauge Magnum shells are even worse. A 2 3/4 inch Magnum shell throwing 1 1/2 ounces of shot at 1260 fps from a 7.5 pound shotgun belts the shooter with 45.9 ft. lbs. of recoil, somewhat more than the recoil of a typical .375 H&H Magnum rifle shooting 300 grain factory loads! And the 3 inch Magnum 12 gauge shell firing 1 7/8 ounces of shot at a MV of 1210 fps in that same 7.5 pound shotgun slams the shooter with over 60 ft. lbs. of recoil energy. This is equivalent toand exceeds the recoil of a typical .458 Winchester Magnum rifle. This is literally recoil in the elephant gun class, and most shooters would be well advised to avoid such loads.
ORIGINAL: keyshunter
Actually, it takes a mighty big rifle to equal the recoil of a 3 1/2 inch shotgun shell. The recoil is about twice that of a .30/06. I once owned a .375 H&H magnum rifle and it seemed to kick considerably less than 3 1/2 inch shells in my 835. If you want an interesting experience, fire a few carefully aimed 3 1/2 shells from a bench rest.
Actually, it takes a mighty big rifle to equal the recoil of a 3 1/2 inch shotgun shell. The recoil is about twice that of a .30/06. I once owned a .375 H&H magnum rifle and it seemed to kick considerably less than 3 1/2 inch shells in my 835. If you want an interesting experience, fire a few carefully aimed 3 1/2 shells from a bench rest.
12 gauge Magnum shells are even worse. A 2 3/4 inch Magnum shell throwing 1 1/2 ounces of shot at 1260 fps from a 7.5 pound shotgun belts the shooter with 45.9 ft. lbs. of recoil, somewhat more than the recoil of a typical .375 H&H Magnum rifle shooting 300 grain factory loads! And the 3 inch Magnum 12 gauge shell firing 1 7/8 ounces of shot at a MV of 1210 fps in that same 7.5 pound shotgun slams the shooter with over 60 ft. lbs. of recoil energy. This is equivalent toand exceeds the recoil of a typical .458 Winchester Magnum rifle. This is literally recoil in the elephant gun class, and most shooters would be well advised to avoid such loads.
I knew that sucker kicked--and I am not recoil sensitive. Over the years, I have fired some pretty big guns. When I got my 835, I justHAD to try the 3 1/2 shells. I could have dealt with the recoil if necessary, but I saw no need. That firstboxwas the only box I bought. I have used 3" since. For me, the pleasure inturkey hunting is calling the bird in close. Unless I misjudge the range, I try never shoot at more than 35 yards. At that range, the 3" shells hit like a hammer. Oh, by the way, when I started turkey hunting, I usedPAPER 2 3/4 inch shells.
03-31-2006, 07:19 AM
#36
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: WC FL
Posts: 26,323
RE: Why such a controversy over 3 1/2" shells
ORIGINAL: Bloominghunter2
Rebel, Just to let you know I hunt with a 20 gauge and am very confident with it.
Rebel, Just to let you know I hunt with a 20 gauge and am very confident with it.
Over the years, I have spent many hours sitting in the woods without a weapon, practicing the calls. Do the same with the quail. But like I mentioned before, to each his own!
I'm not telling pepole this is the way, I'm saying it's my way! Millionsof turkeys have been takenwith paper 2-3/4" shells before the plastic Extended Range, Mag Loads and Hevy-Shot 3" and 3-1/2" shells were introduced. IMO, it's turning into a Turkey shoot instead of a Turkey hunt! But then again, to each his own.
04-01-2006, 02:18 PM
#37
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Pa
Posts: 4,647
RE: Why such a controversy over 3 1/2" shells
I'm getting great patterns out of my 3"
Until I see one with my own eyes(not some numb nut saying he's getting 40 or more hits in the vitals at 60 yards) out shoot my 3", I'll stick with what I have!!!!
Until I see one with my own eyes(not some numb nut saying he's getting 40 or more hits in the vitals at 60 yards) out shoot my 3", I'll stick with what I have!!!!
04-01-2006, 02:50 PM
#38
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location:
Posts: 100
RE: Why such a controversy over 3 1/2" shells
I really don't care what anyone else shoots, it's really a personal preference. There is one thing I liked to bring up. Your better off determining what size shell you use by the ballistics, then by the length of the shell. There are several 3" shells that have a higher fps then thier 3-1/2" counterparts and the difference between the shot is only an 1/8oz.I'd rather have the extra 100fps in my 3' shell, then the extra 1/8 oz shot.
04-01-2006, 03:18 PM
#40
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: WC FL
Posts: 26,323
RE: Why such a controversy over 3 1/2" shells
ORIGINAL: Totemkopf
I really don't care what anyone else shoots, it's really a personal preference. There is one thing I liked to bring up. Your better off determining what size shell you use by the ballistics, then by the length of the shell. There are several 3" shells that have a higher fps then thier 3-1/2" counterparts and the difference between the shot is only an 1/8oz.I'd rather have the extra 100fps in my 3' shell, then the extra 1/8 oz shot.
I really don't care what anyone else shoots, it's really a personal preference. There is one thing I liked to bring up. Your better off determining what size shell you use by the ballistics, then by the length of the shell. There are several 3" shells that have a higher fps then thier 3-1/2" counterparts and the difference between the shot is only an 1/8oz.I'd rather have the extra 100fps in my 3' shell, then the extra 1/8 oz shot.
Totem,according to Fed., the12ga-2-3/4" Prem. Mag-Shok (lead) w/Flite Control H.V. has more Muzzle Vel.1315fps using 4,5,6's...... than the 3" or 3-1/2"