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flash scare deer???
ive always been wondering.i wanted to get another camera but dont want to spend as much as a infared cost. plus I miss color night pic. but whats your opinion. any suggestions on what model to get. thanks
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RE: flash scare deer???
You know, I was kinda concerned with that subject for a while so I bought a couple of IR cams. But you know what, The deer seem to stand and stare at it just like they did the white flash. Honestly, I think it might effect some deer but for the most part, not much. That's just my two cents though.
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RE: flash scare deer???
Some spook, some dont. It varies. It doesnt matter either way. I prefer color photos.
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Yap I will second that too they stare at all my cameras flash or ir does'nt matter.they don't even want to be around them anymore.
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My 1st 4 cams were IR cams because i was worried about that as well. My next 2 were flash cams. It dont make any difference. My next cam will be a flash cam as well, i really like the color pics.
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The deer in my neck of the woods seem to be just as spooked with with red IR glow as the flash at first but after a few days they could care a less about it.
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RE: flash scare deer???
Depends on what frame of mind they are in at the time.
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If there was a camera in your house and it flashed or made noise when taking a picture, would you be alarmed?
I know I'm not a deer, but if you keep "survival" in the back of your mind, it might help make certain decision's while hunting this prey! Some deer may tolerate it, however if your getting multiple pictures of the same buck, I would guess either he's stupid  (which could be good for us hunters)or extremely wary as he walks through this same area where you have your camera.:eek: He is most likely relying on his sight / nose for danger, to put himself in front of that yummy mineral block or corn that he can't resist as your camera takes his picture. If the camera location is kept relatively scent free he wouldn't mind walking into the lens for a free meal!!! All the pictures I've gotten of bucks is a one time only scenario. I watched a bucks track (in snow) skirt a hill by 30-40 yards just to avoid the trail I had my camera on. Scaring 1 deer is too many for me. So I typically put the camera out on a trail 100-200 yards from my tree stand, so this way he doesn't avoid my tree stand location due to the camera. I also stop using cameras in my hunting spots by the end of July, no need to dissipate any extra scent close to the hunting season opener. If I find a new spot during the season I might throw a camera out to see what kind of head gear he has on, but won't get my hopes too high for that season. Although, I may use my antlerless tag as I sit and observe after a few attempts. |
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Right on Ed, good post!!
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I've never seen any evidence that deer or bucks for that matter have any lasting fear of my cameras or the flash. If they are wound tight I've seen them jump and run and I've seen the same buck just stand there and get multiple flash pictures taken. I have even had multiple flash pictures of bucks laying down over long periods.
My one caveat is that I believe that there may be some deer whose personalities do not like the flash or anything foreign in their territory. I do not know this for a fact, but through all of the pictures I have it sure seems that some deer have different personalities. I also believe that older bucks often get more reclusive and I'm not sure if this means that they become afraid of cameras or if they just move less and stay away from any human contact. I don't know if we'll ever completely figure them out, but they sure are fun to watch. |
RE: flash scare deer???
ORIGINAL: Edcyclopedia If there was a camera in your house and it flashed or made noise when taking a picture, would you be alarmed? I know I'm not a deer, but if you keep "survival" in the back of your mind, it might help make certain decision's while hunting this prey! Some deer may tolerate it, however if your getting multiple pictures of the same buck, I would guess either he's stupid (which could be good for us hunters)or extremely wary as he walks through this same area where you have your camera.:eek: He is most likely relying on his sight / nose for danger, to put himself in front of that yummy mineral block or corn that he can't resist as your camera takes his picture. If the camera location is kept relatively scent free he wouldn't mind walking into the lens for a free meal!!! All the pictures I've gotten of bucks is a one time only scenario. I watched a bucks track (in snow) skirt a hill by 30-40 yards just to avoid the trail I had my camera on. Scaring 1 deer is too many for me. So I typically put the camera out on a trail 100-200 yards from my tree stand, so this way he doesn't avoid my tree stand location due to the camera. I also stop using cameras in my hunting spots by the end of July, no need to dissipate any extra scent close to the hunting season opener. If I find a new spot during the season I might throw a camera out to see what kind of head gear he has on, but won't get my hopes too high for that season. Although, I may use my antlerless tag as I sit and observe after a few attempts. And, think about the deer in my area for instance. I have had cameras in the woods flashing for 7 years. They deer get pics of them taken from fawn up to 5.5 years old, they grow very accustomed to it, kinda like 2nd nature. Now in new areas, it would be different. |
RE: flash scare deer???
ORIGINAL: Siman08/OH ORIGINAL: Edcyclopedia If there was a camera in your house and it flashed or made noise when taking a picture, would you be alarmed? I know I'm not a deer, but if you keep "survival" in the back of your mind, it might help make certain decision's while hunting this prey! Some deer may tolerate it, however if your getting multiple pictures of the same buck, I would guess either he's stupid (which could be good for us hunters)or extremely wary as he walks through this same area where you have your camera.:eek: He is most likely relying on his sight / nose for danger, to put himself in front of that yummy mineral block or corn that he can't resist as your camera takes his picture. If the camera location is kept relatively scent free he wouldn't mind walking into the lens for a free meal!!! All the pictures I've gotten of bucks is a one time only scenario. I watched a bucks track (in snow) skirt a hill by 30-40 yards just to avoid the trail I had my camera on. Scaring 1 deer is too many for me. So I typically put the camera out on a trail 100-200 yards from my tree stand, so this way he doesn't avoid my tree stand location due to the camera. I also stop using cameras in my hunting spots by the end of July, no need to dissipate any extra scent close to the hunting season opener. If I find a new spot during the season I might throw a camera out to see what kind of head gear he has on, but won't get my hopes too high for that season. Although, I may use my antlerless tag as I sit and observe after a few attempts. And, think about the deer in my area for instance. I have had cameras in the woods flashing for 7 years. They deer get pics of them taken from fawn up to 5.5 years old, they grow very accustomed to it, kinda like 2nd nature. Now in new areas, it would be different. Well said Grasshopper!!:) |
RE: flash scare deer???
ORIGINAL: Siman08/OH ORIGINAL: Edcyclopedia If there was a camera in your house and it flashed or made noise when taking a picture, would you be alarmed? I know I'm not a deer, but if you keep "survival" in the back of your mind, it might help make certain decision's while hunting this prey! Some deer may tolerate it, however if your getting multiple pictures of the same buck, I would guess either he's stupid (which could be good for us hunters)or extremely wary as he walks through this same area where you have your camera.:eek: He is most likely relying on his sight / nose for danger, to put himself in front of that yummy mineral block or corn that he can't resist as your camera takes his picture. If the camera location is kept relatively scent free he wouldn't mind walking into the lens for a free meal!!! All the pictures I've gotten of bucks is a one time only scenario. I watched a bucks track (in snow) skirt a hill by 30-40 yards just to avoid the trail I had my camera on. Scaring 1 deer is too many for me. So I typically put the camera out on a trail 100-200 yards from my tree stand, so this way he doesn't avoid my tree stand location due to the camera. I also stop using cameras in my hunting spots by the end of July, no need to dissipate any extra scent close to the hunting season opener. If I find a new spot during the season I might throw a camera out to see what kind of head gear he has on, but won't get my hopes too high for that season. Although, I may use my antlerless tag as I sit and observe after a few attempts. Of course WE would freak out, but its different to a deer. They are not thinking "robber in my house...holy #$%!". Simply written as a type of metaphor... Kind of like, I am so hungry I could eat a horse, words written in black and white aren't always black and white (in this case there blue)[&:] OR (that's because I'm sad to write my response(blue))[8D] English language, you gotta love it!!!;) Stick with me people I'm messin' around!:D They probably don't even associate them with humans. I mentioned the "relatively scent free" thingy, hence, less alarming for deer and not associating them with humans... And, think about the deer in my area for instance. I have had cameras in the woods flashing for 7 years. They deer get pics of them taken from fawn up to 5.5 years old, they grow very accustomed to it, kinda like 2nd nature. Very good point! Now in new areas, it would be different. |
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Here's some indisputable evidence of spooking deer with an IR trail camera. You can't tell me the regular flash camera's are any better. All deer are different. Like Ed said I've had many deer form a new trail around my camera's to avoid them. Whether It's the IR lights (tiny red lights blinking), scent, seeing It, noise, some deer do spook.
http://s241.photobucket.com/albums/ff319/scsmilkman/Nice%208/?action=view&current=2ndtrailNEcorner2008001.f lv  |
RE: flash scare deer???
ORIGINAL: Edcyclopedia ORIGINAL: Siman08/OH ORIGINAL: Edcyclopedia If there was a camera in your house and it flashed or made noise when taking a picture, would you be alarmed? I know I'm not a deer, but if you keep "survival" in the back of your mind, it might help make certain decision's while hunting this prey! Some deer may tolerate it, however if your getting multiple pictures of the same buck, I would guess either he's stupid (which could be good for us hunters)or extremely wary as he walks through this same area where you have your camera.:eek: He is most likely relying on his sight / nose for danger, to put himself in front of that yummy mineral block or corn that he can't resist as your camera takes his picture. If the camera location is kept relatively scent free he wouldn't mind walking into the lens for a free meal!!! All the pictures I've gotten of bucks is a one time only scenario. I watched a bucks track (in snow) skirt a hill by 30-40 yards just to avoid the trail I had my camera on. Scaring 1 deer is too many for me. So I typically put the camera out on a trail 100-200 yards from my tree stand, so this way he doesn't avoid my tree stand location due to the camera. I also stop using cameras in my hunting spots by the end of July, no need to dissipate any extra scent close to the hunting season opener. If I find a new spot during the season I might throw a camera out to see what kind of head gear he has on, but won't get my hopes too high for that season. Although, I may use my antlerless tag as I sit and observe after a few attempts. Of course WE would freak out, but its different to a deer. They are not thinking "robber in my house...holy #$%!". Simply written as a type of metaphor... Kind of like, I am so hungry I could eat a horse, words written in black and white aren't always black and white (in this case there blue)[&:] OR (that's because I'm sad to write my response(blue))[8D] English language, you gotta love it!!!;) Stick with me people I'm messin' around!:D They probably don't even associate them with humans. I mentioned the "relatively scent free" thingy, hence, less alarming for deer and not associating them with humans... And, think about the deer in my area for instance. I have had cameras in the woods flashing for 7 years. They deer get pics of them taken from fawn up to 5.5 years old, they grow very accustomed to it, kinda like 2nd nature. Very good point! Now in new areas, it would be different. |
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Fellas, let me chime in on this debate with another possibility. All of my cameras, with the exception of the Reconyx, make a slight noise when they go off. Possibly what the deer arereacting to is the noise. Having said that, I am no longer a believer in IR because I have had deer look at all my cameras when their pic is being taken. Now I know that there are some new cams out there now with so-called black flash, but I have had no experience with them so I don't know if they will be any better. I am like Caleb, I really prefer to get color photographs all the time, so if I buy anymore cameras, I think I will stick with white-flash. I really don't think there is any hard-fast rule you can apply as to whether it bothers them or not, I think some deer react and some don't. But I also think that they will get used to it.
After typing that last statement, I thought about it and I think I need to clarify what I meant about purchasing white-flash cameras. What I should have said was I will no longer buy a camera just because it is IR. I want to buy cameras that are well made and reliable. If that's an IR then it would be on my list of potential buy. In my opinion, the IR cams have some advantages such as battery life. It also seems that most of the companies out there are only manufacturing their top of the line cameras in IR. So if I said I would only buy white-flash, I would be eliminating alot of good cameras from consideration. I really wish that some of the great camera makers, such as Reconyx, would make a white-flash camera, that would make the choosing a whole lot easier. Blessings.....Pastorjim |
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