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Videos - Firing India Bess with American Pioneer 3F

Old 04-16-2019, 01:17 PM
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Default Videos - Firing India Bess with American Pioneer 3F

There's a fellow on youtube who loaded American Pioneer Powder 3F into the bore of his India made flintlock and using Goex 4F in the pan, he fired 10 shots without a misfire.

The caption for the video states: "Trying out some new powder, touted as a clean burning black powder substitute. I've read a huge difference of opinion about this powder, and several people flatly state that it will NOT work in a flintlock. Well, here you have it. I fired 10 shots of varying powder charge, all lead ball, and not one misfire or failure to discharge. I think the FFFg is the right choice, the grain size is bigger than regular black powder, so having the FFFg probably helped with ignition here. Also, prime the pan with NORMAL black powder, it's not a big deal and doesn't make a big mess.
Clean up was a breeze and nearly zero fouling. Very happy."

The next 9 second video was posted by the same fellow 2 days later.

The caption states: "This is I think the 8th shot out of the musket without swabbing, cleaning or lube of any kind.
After 15 shots the barrel still looked 'brand new', this powder seems consistent and reliable, not a single misfire that day.
....also at 20 paces we hit the crock-pot every time.. .71 lead ball with paper cartridge wadding."
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Old 10-28-2019, 01:23 PM
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I have a sealed can of Shockey's Gold and the blue label American Pioneer stuff, I think 2f. I'm tempted to try it out now in some of my repro muskets.
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Old 12-07-2019, 12:12 PM
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If it's the same as Black MZ (Black MZ only comes in one pretty chunky granulation though), I have tried the Black MZ in a variety of guns. It works great in any caplock from .32 to 10 gauge shotgun. Worked best with heavier slugs. With lighter weight projectiles, it lost a lot of velocity compared to real black Wano (from Graf's). In a .58 using Minie balls, it was very close to 2f black. In a .62 flint fowler, I put 10 gr. volume black down first, followed by 50 more grains Black MZ and 1oz. shot. There was a noticeable delayed ignition. Maybe will give it another chance & see if it will light off by itself but primed with 4f black. The comparisons were based on velocities for the rifles and by dead doves for the shotgun. Used 1 to 1-1/8 oz. #7 in 10, 11 and 12 gauge with equal volume powder. Hopefully can get out tomorrow or Monday.
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