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mounting man 01-24-2017 08:37 AM

Grafs black powder ?
Anybody here ever try Graf 2-FF in a flinter or in any rifle?

Muley Hunter 01-24-2017 10:27 AM

I have. I like Goex better and Swiss better that Goex.

MountainDevil54 01-24-2017 10:56 AM

not a fan of that stuff. Have a couple lbs of 4fg i bought off muley and its slow.

Muley Hunter 01-24-2017 11:47 AM

I've only bought one pound of 4F in Graf's. You sure one of them isn't 2F?

cayugad 01-24-2017 12:54 PM

I use it all the time. And I shot it in 2f and 3f and never had a problem of any kind with it. Its cost effective, it ignites easy, and has about the same power as Goex. I use their 4f as my priming powder still. The powder as I understand it is made by Schuetzen out of Germany. The same people that make Wano, another powder I shoot. If you don't shoot a lot, spend the extra bucks and get Swiss. That is a wonderful black powder.

Yes, Graf's is not Swiss black powder, but it is not priced like Swiss black powder. In my 30+ years of shooting I have burned off probably 40 pounds or more of just Graf's. I used to burn off about 15 to 20 pounds a year. And friends and I shot it for many years straight. Right now I am on a Schuetzen powder kick because I found it on sale and purchased a case. Since it shot like Graf's powder I figured to save a couple bucks.

Those that dislike Graf's black powder I am sure have their reasons. But having shot most every kind of powder in cap and flintlocks, on the market... I would take Graf's any day.

One powder I avoid like the plague is called Elephant Black Powder. That stuff was so bad, I made a powder trail with it (like in Daniel Boone movies) and torched it just to see it burn. Another powder that was all right but ..... is called KIK. Its pretty reasonable in the price range. I shot a lot of that. About 15 pounds of it. I also shot a lot of Wano. Wano was a good powder to shoot. One powder I want to try next is made by Goex called Old Eynsford. I hear that is a good powder.

I get my powder at Powder Inc. Although I admit I have not had to purchase powder in over a year and still have several pounds in the vault.

Muley Hunter 01-24-2017 01:48 PM

You have it backwards. Wano owns and makes Schuetzen.

Graf's has less power than Goex and I find the fouling a bit harder. One thing I don't like about Graf's is they buy the powder in bulk from Wano and then load it into their bottles. That's a lot of air exposer. Maybe that takes longer sometimes and the powder has more time to absorb moisture. I prefer powder to be bottled up right away by the maker.

The difference in price is too small to worry about.

GOOD OLE BOY 01-24-2017 03:02 PM

I am no way an expert and far from it.But I am happy with good ole American made Goex.

ModernPrimitive 01-25-2017 01:41 PM

This is what I was asking in my thread-gotta get an order placed sooner than later, was thinking to give Grafs a try; maybe the better plan is to try a coupla cans of each...

MountainDevil54 01-25-2017 01:46 PM

I'd order some goex or better, olde eynsford.

ModernPrimitive 01-25-2017 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by MountainDevil54 (Post 4291871)
I'd order some goex or better, olde eynsford.

Educate me on olde eynsford.

clean burning?

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