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WV Hunter 02-16-2016 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 4245297)
I've seen TC's with the 1-66 barrels that weren't Douglas barrels. It was always printed on the barrel. I'm not sure if they came from the custom shop, or they were just a limited run.

Trust me. If it's not printed on the barrel. It's 1-48. I've been messing with TC sidelocks for almost 4 decades.

Yeah, I don't doubt that Muley. I'm just happy I have one.

Blackpowdersmoke 02-16-2016 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by WV Hunter (Post 4245291)
Thanks Dave. Yeah, its not a kit rifle. I don't know what year for sure, the previous owner told me he had it a good while. It just has the company name/address and .54 cal on it. Doesn't even say Renegade. I guess I have to assume its 1:48, maybe one day I'll check it. Either way I'll be shooting prb's so whatever it is...it is! Sure is a pretty rifle, and I have one of those TC peeps on it. Hopefully it will be a shooter.

I wonder if TC can tell me anything about it by the serial #?

Two of the four Renegades I own do not say Renegade on the barrel. One has a 4 digit S# and the other has a 5 digit S#. The other two do say Renegade on the barrel and both have 6 digit serial numbers.

BPS

WV Hunter 02-16-2016 10:34 AM

Yeah BPS, mine is 16xxx. Doesn't really matter to me, its pristine, has double triggers and a nice TC peep. :D

Now I just gotta find some time and work up a load for it. I've never shot it yet, and in fact...I've never shot a prb ever out of any rifle. All the sidelocks I had I only shot conicals out of.
Suggestions? I plan to get some real BP to try in this gun, but I may start out with Pyrodex RS as I have plenty of that.

Muley Hunter 02-16-2016 01:00 PM

If you get slow fire with Pyro. Don't panic. You won't get it with BP.

Using musket caps will make Pyro more friendly.

Muley Hunter 02-16-2016 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by Blackpowdersmoke (Post 4245305)
The T/C PA Hunter rifles were 1:66 twist.

BPS

Yes, they were, but we're talking about a Renegade. The PA was a hex to round barrel too, and I believe the gun was made for flintlock season that had to use a PRB. Of course they wimped out and sabots can be used now.

Blackpowdersmoke 02-16-2016 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 4245334)
Yes, they were, but we're talking about a Renegade. The PA was a hex to round barrel too, and I believe the gun was made for flintlock season that had to use a PRB. Of course they wimped out and sabots can be used now.

You're partially right Muley, the earlier ones were oct to round but I have a friend whose PA hunter rifle has a full length octagon barrel. My wife's PA hunter carbine barrel is octagon, understandably.

BPS

Muley Hunter 02-16-2016 01:36 PM

That's not the important part. They were made for the PA season which was nothing but a PRB, so all were 1-66.

It's a shame TC didn't offer it in all the models. I think the majority of TC sidelocks are shot with a PRB. The 1-48 is ok for a PRB if the rifling is deep, but TC made shallow rifling more suited for conicals.

What they should have offered is separate barrels you could buy like the GPR. a conical barrel and a PRB barrel. They would have sold like crazy and there never would have been a need for the GM drop in barrels.

muzzlestuffer 02-16-2016 01:37 PM

i was just doing some poking around on twist rates myself if your going to shoot round ball i would go with the 1-60 twist rate. fyi the grrw barrels i just bought were 1-60 if that helps you make up your mind ?

Blackpowdersmoke 02-16-2016 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 4245339)
That's not the important part. They were made for the PA season which was nothing but a PRB, so all were 1-66.
It's a shame TC didn't offer it in all the models. I think the majority of TC sidelocks are shot with a PRB. The 1-48 is ok for a PRB if the rifling is deep, but TC made shallow rifling more suited for conicals.

What they should have offered is separate barrels you could buy like the GPR. a conical barrel and a PRB barrel. They would have sold like crazy and there never would have been a need for the GM drop in barrels.

Right again Muley,

Our original flintlock (late season) remained a PRB only season for many years and that's why the PA hunter came on the market. The state eventually changed the regs to allow conical and saboted projectiles in the mid 90's (I believe). T/C did offer a 1:66 twist barrel through their custom shop for a brief period, but that eventually fell by the wayside as well.

The .56 smoothbore Renegade was T/C's attempt to market their guns in Massachusetts where only smoothbore firearms were allowed for big game. It to fell out of grace after Mass. passed regs allowing rifled shotguns and muzzleloaders.

BPS

cayugad 02-16-2016 04:56 PM

Yes my PA Hunter is a 1-66. And its a heck of a shooter.


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