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K_N	02-25-2002 03:56 PM

Crusader. IBO legal?

Since they wont let me use my TD Hunter in the IBO traditional class I am thinking of going to longbow. Anyone know if the Crusader qualifys as a legal longbow in the IBO 3d shoots.

1. Competitors shooting traditional longbow class will use a longbow defined as: a bow when strung the string touches only the nocks of the bow. A bow at the shelf shall be cut no closer than 1/8 inch to the centerline of the bow. In case a bow cut within 1/8 of center shot is found, it may be re-qualified by adding a leather pad to a thickness that will meet the rules. Cushion plungers or mechanical adjustments shall not be permitted

PowDuck

02-25-2002 04:08 PM

RE: Crusader. IBO legal?

I don't know anything about the rules but by what you have (I assume) quoted the Crusader should match that criteria. I believe mine would.

Romans 8:28

Lilhunter

02-25-2002 05:06 PM

RE: Crusader. IBO legal?

personally I dont think it would. Not because of the center riser but the fact that both my crusaders look like they come over the bottom of the string grooves about 1/16th of an inche before they lift off the limbs. You could raise the braceheight to some crazy figure though and I bet it would work LOL!

arrowsmit

02-25-2002 05:20 PM

RE: Crusader. IBO legal?

The CM Crusader not only meets IBO qualification standards for Traditional Longbow class, but is one of the bows preferred by some of the best shooters. Just ask WFL/KY, he's taken several major IBO events w/one. Are you aware that your HunterII will easily meet IBO MRU (Male Recurve Unaided) class?

Lilhunter

02-25-2002 05:22 PM

RE: Crusader. IBO legal?

Didnt know that Vic..the guys in Anchorage took one look at my old crusader and said no way..still whooped all there arse's LOL!

arrowsmit

02-25-2002 06:14 PM

RE: Crusader. IBO legal?

Dan, were "the guys in Anchorage" IBO officials? Not that I am, but the crusader is legal for longbow class in every event that I'm aware of...

Lilhunter

02-25-2002 06:21 PM

RE: Crusader. IBO legal?

dunno, just passing on what I was told... they could put me in both of there classes...dang shame I couldnt get 2 medalions LOL!

WFL\KY

02-25-2002 06:37 PM

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Since they wont let me use my TD Hunter in the IBO traditional class I am thinking of going to longbow. Anyone know if the Crusader qualifys as a legal longbow in the IBO 3d shoots.

1. Competitors shooting traditional longbow class will use a longbow defined as: a bow when strung the string touches only the nocks of the bow. A bow at the shelf shall be cut no closer than 1/8 inch to the centerline of the bow. In case a bow cut within 1/8 of center shot is found, it may be re-qualified by adding a leather pad to a thickness that will meet the rules. Cushion plungers or mechanical adjustments shall not be permitted

<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote> A Checkmate Crusader is IBO legal. I have shot one in many IBO national events. My advice is, you should make the man telling you it is not legal prove it!When he can not the swelling of his head will go down and you can shoot it!

Bill Leslie

Lilhunter

02-26-2002 12:08 AM

RE: Crusader. IBO legal?

Lol Bill. Looks like I will have to wait till next winter again where the Los Anchorage crew gets back to shootin as winters almost up for this year. I will definatly haggle them about it. Then again, it dont matter if they throw me in the curve class or not, I'll still givem a run for there money <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>!

K_N	02-26-2002 09:50 AM

RE: Crusader. IBO legal?

Hmm I see some yes's and some no's. Looks like it would be kinda risky. Would hate to qualify for the world and then make the trip out to it and then not be able to shoot in my chosen class.

K_N	02-26-2002 09:52 AM

RE: Crusader. IBO legal?

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The CM Crusader not only meets IBO qualification standards for Traditional Longbow class, but is one of the bows preferred by some of the best shooters. Just ask WFL/KY, he's taken several major IBO events w/one. Are you aware that your HunterII will easily meet IBO MRU (Male Recurve Unaided) class?
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Yes I have been shooting in recurve unaided class but I dont see that I will ever be able to stay with the guys shooting those Hoyte target bows with balancers gadgets all over them. To win in that class you need to average around 275-285.

Edited by - K_N on 02/26/2002 10:58:48

Bill Schoenig

02-26-2002 11:19 AM

RE: Crusader. IBO legal?

KN : If you look at the scores for the Trad.class on the IBO stie you will need at least that at the worlds. All 8's is the norm at the worlds.

Bill S.

K_N	02-26-2002 12:40 PM

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KN : If you look at the scores for the Trad.class on the IBO stie you will need at least that at the worlds. All 8's is the norm at the worlds.

Bill S.
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I do not know if the 3d shoots I have been to are official IBO shoots or not. They have used 30 targets with 300 points possible. They do use IBO classes though and the winning scores on RU have been around 275-285 and the winning scores on Male Trad are usually under 240. Most newer traditional longbows and recurves shoot about the same as far as speed and accuracy I believe, but I will change to longbow if thats what it takes to shoot wood in IBO and still have a chance of winning.

Bill Schoenig

02-26-2002 01:20 PM

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KN : 285 for 30 targets is excellent shooting , just went to the N.E. IBO indoor shoot In Springfield ,Ma. 30 targets winning recurve score was in the 260's trad. (longbow ) 240's.
Me, well just lets say I had a good time , one good thing my wife won the women's trad.class and her trophy is sitting on the TV so I can't miss it :) :)

arrowsmit

02-26-2002 04:00 PM

RE: Crusader. IBO legal?

K_N, you said:

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quotequote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Hmm I see some yes's and some no's. Looks like it would be kinda risky. Would hate to qualify for the world and then make the trip out to it and then not be able to shoot in my chosen class.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Incidentally, a 240 w/longbow on a 30 target course usually won't even get honorable mention at most shoots around here. Not that it isn't a respectable enough score, just that these guys here play to win & many times post as high or higher than MRU shooters. WFL/KY has been to the IBO World shoot before. As a matter of fact he placed in the top 5 last year, & I wouldn't doubt that he'll take 1st this year. He's BADA$$!! If it were me, I'd prolly take his word for it about the crusader...

Edited by - Arrowsmit on 02/26/2002 17:01:55

arrowsmit

02-26-2002 07:33 PM

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Congrats to your wife Bill! I'm lucky too, 'cause even though she's not nearly as addicted as I am, my wife shoots w/me some. Ya gotta love THAT!! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

WFL\KY

02-26-2002 07:55 PM

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KN : If you look at the scores for the Trad.class on the IBO stie you will need at least that at the worlds. All 8's is the norm at the worlds.

Bill S.
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I do not know if the 3d shoots I have been to are official IBO shoots or not. They have used 30 targets with 300 points possible. They do use IBO classes though and the winning scores on RU have been around 275-285 and the winning scores on Male Trad are usually under 240. Most newer traditional longbows and recurves shoot about the same as far as speed and accuracy I believe, but I will change to longbow if thats what it takes to shoot wood in IBO and still have a chance of winning.
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>K N,may I ask why think you have no chance to win shooting wood in recurve class ?

Bill

K_N	02-27-2002 10:02 AM

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Incidentally, a 240 w/longbow on a 30 target course usually won't even get honorable mention at most shoots around here. Not that it isn't a respectable enough score, just that these guys here play to win & many times post as high or higher than MRU shooters. WFL/KY has been to the IBO World shoot before. As a matter of fact he placed in the top 5 last year, & I wouldn't doubt that he'll take 1st this year. He's BADA$$!! If it were me, I'd prolly take his word for it about the crusader...
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Ok then. Looks like I may be looking for a crusader soon then.

K_N	02-27-2002 10:03 AM

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K N,may I ask why think you have no chance to win shooting wood in recurve class ?

Bill
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Well maybe I should not say "No chance" but I would much rather prefer to shoot against people with equipment that at least is close to the same in performance as mine. My recurve was shooting slower and with more arc to the arrows than some of the longbow shooters that I was shooting with yet I was shooting against streamlined target bows with all the latest gadgets.

Or maybe I am just looking for a good reason to buy another bow :)

Edited by - K_N on 02/27/2002 11:06:33

JRW	02-27-2002 03:22 PM

RE: Crusader. IBO legal?

KN.....question....

"Yes I have been shooting in recurve unaided class but I dont see that I will ever be able to stay with the guys shooting those Hoyte target bows with balancers gadgets all over them. To win in that class you need to average around 275-285."

Is that with or without 12 rings?

JRW

K_N	02-27-2002 04:12 PM

RE: Crusader. IBO legal?

Only ones I have shot this year have been without 12's.

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