So we have our Carbon Arrows.
 

Like the title says

We have the 100gr brass inserts glued in, 125gr point fletched with 3 x 4" feathers.

But we are dissapointed with the end weight.



Now we can go and buy weight tubes but they are on the expensive side specially if you miss the target and loose the arrow.

So what can we do to add weight cheaply you might ask.

Well we head off to the local hardware store, I know you have to live on Mars or in England ( ) if you dont have a Lowes or Home Depot close by.

We look around the store buying a crap load of stuff we dont need till you find the garden/lawn care section and pick up some of this stuff.



It's a whopping $2.80.

Then we head back to the house.

Once home get your arrows out and remove the nocks.

Thread some of the line into the shaft and check the weight on the scale.



As it turns out I want an arrow that weighs in excess of 600gr's so I will have to use 2 lenghts of cord per arrow.

Cut the cord to the exact lenght of the inside of the shaft but dont push it all the way in, place the 2 ends inside the nock.



Then just push the nock back in.

Now here we go 620gr's



Now if you want to add a lot of weight get some electrical wire you know the coated stuff and do the same thing.

Now both these methods do not effect the spine of the arrow or the FOC as the weight is distributed evenly along the shaft and will bend and flex with the arrow.

Total cost of the upgraded weight.
$2.80 for the cord a 10 minute leisurely drive to the store 30 minutes or so browseing around the store and the drive back home.

Just for comparrason.

I just done up the same 505gr arrow with just 1 lenght of electrical wire.



Does anybody wanna guess how much the arrow weighed??????????????

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Well, that looks like 12 gauge. I am betting over 900gr?

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Mark.

Just missed the 900 mark by 3 gr's:D

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Maybe I should play the lotto today.[:-]

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Do you affix the cable in there so it doesn't wave inside the arrow ?

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I tried the weedeater line, aquarium tubing ...... but the yellow weight tubes seem to be the best for me.

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When I first started reading, I was going to suggest weedeater line. I have used it for some time. You can even bend it in half and icrease the weight even more. Just be sure to cut the line, the exact length of the arrow, through the nock, or it will rattle in the arrow.

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Fellas, there is a much easier way. For a 5575 gold tip, you can get a 2216 with heavy tips, or a 2020 alum with light ones and get to 600gr.

You have a more consistent spine, straighter arrow. Sure it will bend.

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I don't like "bend"

I like straight, or broke

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I don't either, thats why we can buy more. And won't have the spine inconsistency to deal with, and can reheat my arrow to rotate an insert.

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I have a question y would u want ur arrow that heavy? I have never and dont no y u would need a arrow that heavy. So can someone explain to me y u would want it that heavy

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Penetration plain and simple. We don't have speed so we have momentum.

900gr is pushing it for me. but I need 10-11gr/lb of pull. So a 60 bow, a 650gr arrow is perfect.

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killzonearchery how much traditional archery experience do you have?

I've trad hunted for ....... 5-6 years now I guess. Until I switched from 525 gr arrow to 700 gr arrows I NEVER got passthrouigh shots.

It makes a world of difference

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I got 3 of 4 passthru's on deer last year with a 420 gr arrow from a 53# recurve.
4th stopped on the offside leg breaking it after passing thru the near side paddle bone.

Steve

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Man, I have shot I bet dozens of deer with compounds and sometimes see that arrow just stick in and not go thru. I am always shocked with all that speed.

Then first time I fired off at a deer, with a longbow, and I saw that arrow lob thru the arrow looked like it disappeared. Went thru that deer like butte. I learned right there, wieght is where its at.

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SteveBNy I can only tell you my experiece spanning a couple of decades now of bowhunting whitetails, elk, mule deer, etc in a dozen states, Idaho to NY state, Texas to South Dakota with a few animals taken along the way :D

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Just sharing mine as well.

Steve

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How exactly do you bend your aluminum arrows....ipractice withthe same aluminum arrows for 5 years with my compound...out of that dozen there are 10 left all of them are dead strait...the other two got lost in some tall grass but i sure they are probably still strait.

How do you bend your Arrows?

ive never bent an arrow from hitting my mark or from pulling out of a target....the only way they bend is if your shooting green trees, concrete, or shooting into some super hard ground

how do you bend your arrows???

if you shoot a deer and your arrow gets bent up...big deal...go buy another for $5 and put the bent one in your Kill collection.

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I don't see anything wrong with a heavy arrow, and they are certainly quieter on the shot.......but does anyone "need" a 600+ grain arrow for deer hunting? I don't think so, if they are doing everything else correctly.

A super heavy arrow is often used as a band-aid to allow for some other problem--much like some folks using huge feathers to coverfor improperly spined arrows or a really lousy release. I used to think I "had" to shoot bows at least 60# at my draw, to get a good release. It was easier to shoot a heavier bow than to work on the real problem.

Sure, there are situations where a heavier arrow can help, but how much it helps is directly related to whether or not you have done your part. If you put the arrow in the right spot, if your arrow is properly matched to the bow and your release is good so you have perfect arrow flight, etc. then you shouldn't gain much of anything, unless you count how deep your arrow goes into the dirt as a "benefit".

If you are shooting a light draw weight, and/or have a poor release, and/or haven't tuned for perfect arrow flight, and/or make a bad shot, etc. etc. etc. then a super heavy arrow might be the difference in meat in the freezer or a story about the one that got away.

I'm confident saying this because animals don't vary in construction--by this I mean you won't find one deer that's "soft", but another that's armor plated. Sizes and weights vary, but body and bone structures don't. I know that a 550 grain arrow shot from a mid-50's longbow (not one of the ones touted as the fastest in the world either) will penetratea mature cow elk's shoulder blade, vitals, and hit the far side shoulder blade. There's not a whitetail on the planet that's any tougher than that, at least if you put the arrow in the right place.

I know a mature whitetail doe can be killed with a quartering-to shot from a recurve pulling maybe 35@26 (pretty sure she was pulling less/shorter) with an arrow that weighs 380- grains. I wouldn't reccomend trying it, but it can be done if the archer does their part correctly.

Doesn't matter to me if it's wood, aluminum, or carbon. Either one has been used to take it's share of critters--I'd dare say that wood has been used more than aluminum and carbon together. I don't have any problems getting my less-than-perfectly-straight wood arrows to shoot through animals. Poor quality carbons won't be pefectly straight, and usually they won't be spined the same either. Good quality aluminum doesn't bend easily at all. There's few, if any, traditional shooters alive that can shoot the difference in an arrow that's a few thousandth's off in straightness.

Anyhow, back to the topic--it's interesting to me to see how folks get those dang carbons weighted up enough to shoot from heavier bows. I may need this info. one day, if I ever get a chance to do my dream hunt (Asiatic water buffalo). For those critters, I definately will need a heavier arrow--at least 800 grains according to the guides and hunters I've talked to.

Chad

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You can bend an arrow many way. You could do it over your knees. Put in a vise. But why do you want to learn how to bend arrows?[8D]

I bend a lot of arrows roving in the woods. I am on the same set of Easton Legacy's I have had since I started trad. I have 7 left. Two are bent. I have an arrow straightener.

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Alpha Capothe most common way to get bent arrows is a deer running tiwh one sticking out of them - maybe you've not had that problem ? :D

I stump shoot a lot - that bends aluminums quick too. If you shoot at bags etc, then you're probably minimizing your bending risks.

I like carbons

LBR Get a 400 shafts I imagine, yellow weight tubes, 100 gr inserts and those 300 gr broadheads Morrison has(I believe its Morrison) or some of the 200+ gr Ashby heads and you'll have your 800-900 grains. I have no idea how you'd have to cut your shafts to get a nice flying arrow though.

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i know...i just dont like how people talk about aluminum arrows as if they all you have to do is look at them funny and they bend....they are almost as durable as carbon when you reallythink about it and they are cheap price wise...

my Trad arrows tend to take more of a beating than my compound arrows....its not there fault tho....if you shoot something that isnt supposed to be shot....thats your fault (stumping...or nok'in squirrels out of trees)...not the arrows.

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Alpha CapoI'm hardon equipment, I use it, I dont baby it ...... funny thing about carbons is you can tap 300 grains to the tip and they fly well - there is a quality in them that allows high FOC without jacking up the spinemuch.

Put 350 grains on the tip of a 2117 and see itfly like a limpnoodle :)

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To tell you the truth, I am pretty much done with shooting aluminum. Last year was the first time in many years that I gave carbon another chance, and I ended up liking them. I'll also continue to use woods.

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going on a elephant hunt with your 300 grain head???.....maybe watter buffalo??? or Rhino???

Why put 300 grains infront of a .400 spine alum arrow?? especially if you know it wont work right in the first place???

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I ain't figured out the need for a 300 grain broadhead to begin with....125 grain heads have served me well so far. I can see where they would be handy on really big, really thick skinned game, or if your arrows are WAY too stiff, or if you have a bunch of money burning a hole in your pocket........[8D]

Chad

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I let the arrow tell me what to do. First off I start with a arrow weight I want.

I like 10-11gr/lb draw. I like having lots of bows, so this way, they all generally hit the same POI. All usually are 175fps.

Ok, next, I desire greater than 14% FOC, and less than 25%. So I pick the spine I need for all those combos.

For instance, for my black widow longbow. Its 66lbs at 29". So I want ~650gr arrow. So I go thru my carbon spines and figure out combos to get my arrow I want. I use gold tip trads and the wiegh system they have. So I find there 7595's are .3" spined, and to get the flight I want, I add 100gr of brass wieghts and use a 200gr BH. On the nock end, I use a nock adaptor and add wieght up and down to adjust spine. I then bareshaft shoot and add or decrease wieght as needed.

I could have used a 5575 with 125 tip but I would only be like 450gr. Bow is noisier, I don't have my high FOC, POI is little higher than I am used too.

If 125gr works, so be it, as long as it hits my criteria of 10-11gr/lb draw and >14% FOC.

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momentum of a heavy arrow - and front loading carbons seem to work very well, where aluminums go all freaked out with the additional weight carbons do not. I don't know why - they just have a quality that allows a big range unlike the aluminum's I've shot

My experience in killing/wounding animals says to hunt with heavy arrows that shoot well. Thats what front loaded carbons are

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I have an 605gr arrow with a 300 grain tip. A 100gr brass insert and a 200gr Muzzy Phantom. Insert and phantom cost less together than most 125gr BH's. I agree there may not be a need for an arrow like that for hunting deer but I don't see any downside to it at all. There is minimum that is needed for hunting deer but it is the rare person that hunts with just what is needed.