insert adhesive
 

Just got my order of 100 grain brass inserts. What adhesive that I can get at walmart do you recommend that will hold them in place firmly let allow me to remove them down the road if I should ever have the need?

Duco? 2 or 5 hour epoxy?

RE: insert adhesive
 

If glueing in carbon, nothing will let you remove them.

But I have been using steel force for carbon with great luck. With aluminums, I only use Ferr-L Tite.

RE: insert adhesive
 

I use superglue gel I get it from the dolloar store 2 tubes for you, guessed it $1.00:D

But like Mark said almost impossible to remove from a carbon shaft.

If the shaft breaks then just apply a lot of heat while twisting the insert untill it lets go.

Do not try that with a good shaft or it wont be a good shaft:D

RE: insert adhesive
 

Here's my dilema. I want to buy some ready to go CE terminators from walmart, re-fletch them and remove the factory insert to install the brass ones. I have no idea what CE used to install them.

Russ, you don't think the drill bit trick will work?

I guess the better option would be to see if I can buy just 3 shafts somewhere and start the build from scratch, as I have the nocks, feathers and inserts already to go.

RE: insert adhesive
 

Mike.

I don't know what glue CE uses either.

So buy 4 shafts and try the drill bit on one:D

I do know the drill bit don't work with the super glue gel;)

Well it does work but it also pulls some of the carbon wrap out with it:D

RE: insert adhesive
 

I'll probably buy one and try the drill bit. If I can't get the inserts out, the fact that they are pre-cut to length won't help me out as I need the brass insert with the 160 grain supremes I just received to get good flight from my bow.

Did a quick search and doesn't look like anyone is selling the black CE terminators that I got from walmart 2 years ago. Darn the bad luck...

RE: insert adhesive
 

I used to use superglue. But find if I hit anything hard, stump shooting, its brittle. And I have to glue back in.

RE: insert adhesive
 

I've had that happen with ACCs and aluminum inserts.

Hopefully CE uses something similar. I should find out this afternoon :)

RE: insert adhesive
 

Ive always used quick dry epoxy. Ive never used anything else. That is for carbons. For aluminums I use Ferr ltite.

Id suggest looking on Ebay. I just bought a dozen terminators shafts. No need to get them with inserts if you dont want the inserts that are in them. I bought a dozen shafts for 45 bucks.


I personally would not try to drill out the old inserts. Any compromise in the carbon can cause some nasty results. Not worth going to the hospital to have carbon splinters pulled out of your hand.

RE: insert adhesive
 

Thanks Burnie. I looked on ebay, nothing jumped out at me. Were these full length shafts? Regular terminator black? Cut to length?

Want to sell 3 of them?

:)

RE: insert adhesive
 

Yep, they were the full length 65-70s. Id be more than happy to send some your way, except I have already cut them to length, put in the inserts, tuned them to the bow and fletched them all. Ill be using them this Sat. on opening day.;)

RE: insert adhesive
 

Always a day late and a dollar short...

Oh well, they're too stiff for me anyway :)

Good luck.

Edited to add- I don't plan to drill the insert out, rather Russ told me of a trick using the blunt end of a slightly smaller than ID of the shaft drill bit. Take the nock off, slip in the drill bit, then sling it around, hoping it knocks the insert out.

It should be interesting :)

RE: insert adhesive
 

Finally got a chance to try the drill bit, er... bit.

Went in the garage, pulled the nock, inserted the bit, took a good grip and whip SMACK. Checked the insert, nothing. Did this a few more times, checked the insert, nothing. Repeated up to about 20 times, nothing. Was going to give up, but decided I would quit at 30 tries. Somewhere about the 28th time there was the normal whip sound then SMACKCLANG!!! Scared the crap outa me...

Insert and bit both removed post haste and slammed into my closed garage door. I was able to recover both. Shaft is undamaged, but I needed new undergarments :)

Now all I have to do is find a way to remove the adhesive layer from within the shaft so the new brass inserts will fit. They fit well in the clean nock end, so at least I know I ordered the right ones. Oh, and get two more arrows from Walmart and repeat.

Thanks Russ, worked like a charm :)

RE: insert adhesive
 

I've used the heat method on some beman's to get the factory insert out! I was cutting them down anyhow but it worked.If the superglue will get brittle then bouncing the shaft on a old f/p then hitting them with heat may help them pull.

RE: insert adhesive
 

I just shot one itno a rock this past week chasing squirrels, works great![8D][8D][8D]

RE: insert adhesive
 

Looking at the insert and inside of the shaft, it sure looks like they install them with superglue. Chalky white residue.

Lucky for me.

RE: insert adhesive
 

Anyone have any ideas what I can use to clean the residue from the inside of the shaft?

RE: insert adhesive
 

denatured alky

RE: insert adhesive
 

Try Gorilla Glue to install the inserts. WalMart sells it. Seems to be similar to Power Bond. Dip one of the components in water apply glue to the other and assemble. Let it set up over night. Too loosen it's grip dip the end of the shaft in HOT water. Works good. Just a side note as it cures it expands slightly.

RE: insert adhesive
 

You can break the bond of GG with hot water? I did not know that... I'd planned to ask about GG as an adhesive but figured it wouldn't be removal friendly.

Thanks :)

RE: insert adhesive
 

Rangeball, that's what I have been told by some buddies that have been using it for a while. I have used the HOT water trick to loosen Power Bond. I would heat water to almost a boil then let the arrow tip rest in it for a few minutes then use a vise or vice grip to hold the fieldtip then wiggle the arrow shaft and it comes out.Like I stated above it expands as it cures so you don't need a lot.

RE: insert adhesive
 

Excellent.

Thanks a bunch :)

RE: insert adhesive
 

I don't have any of this, but I do have acetone. Super glue site says this works great to denature superglue. Will it also harm the glue used to hold the carbon together?

I had thought about acetone on a q-tip followed by clean water on a q-tip to rinse. Too risky, or should it work?

Other wise I'll swap ends and put the inserts where the nocks are. Finished arrows will look funky cause the graphics will be toward the point, but what the heck.

RE: insert adhesive
 

I went with gold tips and they are black. I had some of the camo arrows from walmart and if I hit something solid the nock always bounced out. Think I am going with a heavier weight next time or at least heavier inserts I do not like the ones I have but they are cut to fit with little extra clearance.

RE: insert adhesive
 

Try taking the nock out, laying two short sections of dental floss across the end of the shaft in a cross pattern, push the nock back in and trim the dental floss. May hold them in place better.

Just for posterity, I was successful in removing the insert adhesive residue from the shaft and now the brass insert slides in perfectly. I tried just using acetone applied with a q-tip and letting it sit for varying times, without much luck. Today I used a long deck screw, inserted it in the shaft and worked it back and forth like a scraper, rotating the shaft as I went. Worked like a charm, and very quickly too.

When I bought the gorilla glue at Walmart, I noticed GG has an "impact resistant" super glue version. I didn't buy it, just the regular GG to facilitate later removal, but I thought some might be interested in the new stuff.

RE: insert adhesive
 

Mike.

You ever try those Broad Heads I sent ya?????????????

RE: insert adhesive
 

Not 'till I get the brass inserts, uhm, inserted... then I have to re-fletch the shaft... Works been hell the past several weeks.

I was impressed enough with them to go ahead and order some of the 160 grainers. Trying like hell to get them sharp with the single bevel broadhead pro, but man, are they hard. Don't have a lansky, and the one my dad had mysteriously dissappeared...

I'm either gonna have to break down and buy a lansky or one of the files Dr. Ashby swears buy and try to set the angle free hand.

How fine a stone do you work up to with the lansky? Any trouble setting the bevel to 25* with it?

RE: insert adhesive
 

Mike.

They are some of the hardest broad heads I have found with a rockwell 51 but once you get them sharp they will stay that way for a long time and only need a touch up with a leather strop.

Another way you can get them sharp is with one of these.

You just have to keep one side flat against the back side of the head.
Then strop them on leather.

RE: insert adhesive
 

That's basically what the broadhead pro is, a carbide cutter but this one is specifically for single bevel and takes them down to 25*, what the good Dr. ordered.

Hard is an understatement. We need to come up with a new word for them as they are on a plane of their own... :)

RE: insert adhesive
 

I shoot Goldtips and ACC's - have always used low temp hotmelt with not problems.
My friend sells 400 to 500 doz carbons a year and uses the same.
Heat the field point gently and the insert will pull out.

Steve

RE: insert adhesive
 

Is this the SteveB with all the Whites??

RE: insert adhesive
 

If your not going to be able to remove the inserts why should it matter what they are held with as long as it's strong enough...why not JB liquid steel?The super glue gel sounds like a good deal...just avoid hitting stumps and rocks.

RE: insert adhesive
 

I epoxyed mine in - never going to remove them .... uh, until I decided to try some 100gr brass inserts to bump my FOC and I Dremel tooled 1/2 dozen last night, 4 came out with only cutting 1/2" of shaft off, the other 2 I don't have any idea how I'm going to get them out - might not and that my friend is a good reason to not do it !

RE: insert adhesive
 

9 isn't a lot is it:D
Yep

Steve

RE: insert adhesive
 

Rangeball . you commented on a file that Dr. Ashby swore was the best.
Will you please tell me what file it was, if you remember the brand and particulars?

Changeling

I tried sending you a PM but I'm not sure if it is working correctly on my end, did you get it?

RE: insert adhesive
 

No, didn't get it. It was on tradgang, I'll find it and post a link.

RE: insert adhesive
 

Here's the thread-

http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimate...=065714#000008

RE: insert adhesive
 

Thank you for the link, I have always used Zwickey Eskimo heads and sharpened them with a file and a fine stone after the file work, they are actually not real hard ( mine are near 20 years old) witch is not bad as I think they are perfect.

RE: insert adhesive
 

What does age matter as long as you like them and they keep working for you! Sorta like my oldest bow,it's a 03 Bowtech.Not something to shoot alot but the thing still has many miles left if I can concentrate while shooting it!