Mystical 200 FPS?
 

I've heard about tradbows that will shoot (10 gr per pound) arrows at or over 200 fps, but have never witnessed anything close. Has anyone here ever actually seen this in real life, or is it a wives tale??

RE: Mystical 200 FPS?
 

Arrowsmit,

More Big East shooters make that claim than all the shooters of other bows combined.
Some Big East shooters claim 210 or more.
If anyone states that they can get that kind of speed with 10 grains, they, most likely, didn't weigh their arrows correctly or guessed the weight, have a faulty chronograph, or are just throwing out B.S.
If they do make that statement, I take it with a grain of salt and laugh to myself without commenting.
They would have to prove it to me before I would believe it.
Compound 3-D shooters also make outlandish speed claims all the time.
I know damn well that some of the speeds they claim with their set-ups and draw lengths are B.S.
That's why I refuse to mention any of the speeds of my Recurves or Compounds on any of the forums.
Someone will always lie and tell everyone that their bow is faster when it isn't.
Good post, Arrowsmit.



Sag.

Edited by - Sagittarius on 01/15/2002 18:29:51

RE: Mystical 200 FPS?
 

saw one guy pushing the 200 mark, 30" draw and light arras but nuttin with 10 grains..heck nothing I think anyone could draw anyways LOL.

RE: Mystical 200 FPS?
 

A buddy of mine who yanks his Martin Hunter back to around 62# @ 30 or 31" and uses arrows somewhere between 9-10 grains per pound shoots 196 fps. Not quite the 10 grains per pound weight nor 200 fps, but not shabby for a production bow...of course I'm sure his long draw length helps considerably. It's likely that there are some custom bows that can do it though.

My 60# @ 25" selfbows, coupled with 10-11 grain per pound arrows are down around the 150 mark.

RE: Mystical 200 FPS?
 

I don't know the weight, but with a 2312 (or 2213--I forget) cut to 31.5" and a 125 grain point I got up to 209 fps with a Navajo td longbow I used to own (only checked on one chronograph, don't know how accurate the chrony was). This bow was 59@30, drawn to 30.5". This same bow got into the mid-high 180's with ash shafts (on a different chronograph). Never chrony'd my Crusaders--they are plenty fast for me though.

I've seen some claims posted about some bows, and I am like Sag--gonna have to see it to believe it. Not saying it ain't possible, but it sure ain't likely.

On a slightly different note, not all bowyers push their bows to the max on speed. It's been stated to me that "everything is a trade-off". In other words, you push for maximum speed in a bow, you loose stability. I believe the bowyers that know their stuff strive for the happy medium.

Chad



Edited by - LBR on 01/13/2002 23:02:45

RE: Mystical 200 FPS?
 

Well, the one time I chrono'ed my 'wannabe' it shot a consistant 195/197 (if my release was good) with a dacron string, pulling 55# @29" with a 545 grain arrow. Not quite 10gr/lb but pretty close.

Have not shot for a speed measurement since I switched over to an lbr dyna97 string but I suspect it'll break 200 now.

RC

RE: Mystical 200 FPS?
 

I have several bows (most bows prolly are IMO)capable of shooting well over the 200 mark w/lighter arrows. My 66# BW shoots tapered cedars well over that, but NOT w/10 gr per #, more like 8.5 gr. Like many of you guys, I'd have to see it to believe it.

BTW, I meant to type MYTHICAL instead of MYSTICAL on the thread title. LOL!

RE: Mystical 200 FPS?
 

My CM Hunter II(54@28") will shoot a 2114 (8.5 gr./") 180-185 fps. I was probably not drawing the full 28" when i shot it through. I usually don't shoot arrows that light (454 gr.) I think a bow would have to be darn fast to shoot a 10gr. per pound arrow over 200 fps. I wouldn't want my recurve to shoot that fast.
My dreaded compound (60#@27" Mathews MQ1 that is gathering dust) shot a 5.4 gr./inch arrow at 255 fps. I don't know that it would shoot much faster than 200 with a 600 gr. arrow. By my calculations (5gr=1fps) It would be right at 200. Kinda tosses out the 200 w/ 10gr./pound arrow myth IMO. That 5gr=1fps conversion is kinda crude though, I have never tested it on such a large scale. I works well with switching from 125 to 100 tips and the like.

RE: Mystical 200 FPS?
 

Personally, I'd have to see it to believe it.

10 grains per pound...recurve...200 fps? Nah..

If you had an ultra-light string and a radically reflexed riser you might push close. With anything resembling a stable design...not a chance.

Just my opinion though.

JRW

RE: Mystical 200 FPS?
 

Don Browns new design recurve came close, but still no cigar. He chrono'd one of the few that he built before his death that drew 42#. The arrow was an aluminum 1813 and it shot 205fps. and was so smooth when I shot it that it seemed to let off. Extremely stable too.

RE: Mystical 200 FPS?
 

Guys, everytime this comes up on whatever forum , I post this same offer:
IF you have a Traditional longbow or recurve that shoots 200fps consistently through my Ohler chronograph, with a WEIGHED 10gr/lb of MEASURED draw weight, I'LL GIVE $1000 FOR IT!!
There's a big difference between a $99 dollar el cheapo chronograph and an ohler skyscreen. A big difference between what's written on a bow for poundage at 28" and an overdraw of 30", and a big difference between a guessed arrow weight and an actual 600 or so grains.........
Nobody has taken me up on my offer yet.<img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>
I ain't sayin' it ain't possible, but...

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looks like I need to do some playin there John <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

RE: Mystical 200 FPS?
 

John, I'll be interested in how many offers you get!! And if you find one, bring it to Compton's; I want to shoot it.

Jack

RE: Mystical 200 FPS?
 

Would a composite qualify?

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Hey there Bill, nice to see ya here budd! How'd your season go? Mine? Well...don't ask. LOL! Hey, did you by chance make the W.Ky League meeting? I haven't seen a W.Ky shoot schedule yet, but can't wait to start busting some 3D! Gents, allow me to introduce my dear friend Bill. We go back aways...Bill here, aside from being a top-notch human being & a great friend (I haven't forgot that I still owe him big time BTW), is one of the best longbow shooters you're ever likely to meet, he took 5th at the IBO World Championship this past year & 1st at the IBO Southern Triple Crown & Ky St Chamionship if I'm not mistaken (among MANY other titles)!! Hey fellas, this boy is BAAAD!! Great to have you here to share your knowledge & experience Bill, drag up a log & sit a spell. Oh BTW, he shoots a CM Crusader too! Yeow-zaa!

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Welcome Bill. Good to have you here. I can use all the help I can get so hang out for a spell. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

RE: Mystical 200 FPS?
 

Just my 2 cents worth but I don't care how fast my bow shoots as long as I can shoot accuratly out to 20 yards. I have never chonographed any of my bows but I do understand the curiosity of it.

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
I've heard about tradbows that will shoot (10 gr per pound) arrows at or over 200 fps, but have never witnessed anything close. Has anyone here ever actually seen this in real life, or is it a wives tale??
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> Vic, Thanks for the fine words, but I'm not sure I'm worthy. What I was trying to post earlier was that, I have seen Sammy Blakemon shoot my 21ft. century longbow (70#@27&quot;) 221fps.He was shooting full length 2219's with 125 grain points on them.( He was also drawing it about 31&quot;.)I don't know if they where io grians per # or not,but it sure was fast. His recurve & ACC's shoots about 245/250 fps.

Bill