Snuffer vs: Wensel
 

About the time I consider using a Snuffer broadhead, I'll hear someone tell me about a close broadside shot that didn't pass through.

The Wensel 3 blade broadhead is simular to the Snuffer, but much more streamline in design. I would favor the Wensel over the Snuffer.

What's your experiences with either of these two broadheads?

Thank you, Bowhunter57

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The only animal I have ever shot with a snuffer was a whitetail doe that I shot at 12 yards with a 145gr snuffer. The arrow got complete penetration and fell out the other side. The doe went 40 yards and bedded down for the last time. The blood trail was very impressive. I also once saw a 300lb wild hog shot with a 160 snuffer with a 52# bow. The arrow got complete penetration with the about 10" of arrow sticking out the other side. There was a hole almost big enough to see day light through, this hog didn't make it 13 yards. I would imagine that the WW are equally as impressive. Either one would work great.

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I have never used a snuffer, but did use WWs for one season. I liked the ease of mounting them, they were about the right diameter for a trad bow, they flew well, but I dispise that little needle point! ALL of them I had bent the point over like a noodle. They say you should file it off when you first get them, but I refuse to give that much money for something and then modify it. If they ever start making the WW with a snuffer point, I'll go right back to them.

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IMHO the WW is just a copy of the Snuffer with a tweak so "they" look like "they" did not copy the real thing. Every thing I have shot with 145 grain Snuffers had a entrance wound and an exit wound. WW's are probably a good head but if it ani't broke why fix it. Snuffers work for me! If they are SHARP and in the right place you have nothing to worry about. Course you can say that with all the other heads too I guess.

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I like Woodsmans. I've used them to take 3 deer so far. Super easy to sharpen, fly nice, and penetrate well. I keep the tip sharp and have not had any problems with them bending over.

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From what I understand they are both mad at magnus so there really isn't that much difference between the two. The ww is just slimmer version of the snuffer.

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I've used and taken critters with both. I like to "match" my broadheads with the game I'm hunting, the bigger the critter and lighter the bow, the smaller the head. Sure I want a "pass-trough" but barely. If I hit a critter with 40 ftlbs going in and it gos out with with 20ftlbs left, I'd just as well shot it with a 30lb bow to start with! Use a bigger head, do more damage even if it's not quite a pass through. I use Snuffers on deer/bear sized critters and WW's on anything bigger. I too have had tip curling problems, clip them off and sharpen to a wedge....O.L.

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Did somebody say Snuffer...let me run across town and have BB from the bowsite post on this one!!! LOL

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one thing about the wensels.....I have, and partners have found out, getting them scary sharp, is difficult at best! Even those who swore by them.....I can hardly cut hair. Not my kinda head imo, but for design purpose's I would choose the wensel's hands down!

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If we're talking about whitetails, it's a non-issue. Get it sharp, get it flying straight, get it where it's supposed to be. It'll blow through like a paper bag.

Almost without fail, folks that I hear questioning three blade heads on whitetails have arrows that fly like garbage.

JRW

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Lilhunter, What has been your sharpening method? I find the Woodsmans to be the easiest head to sharpen. I use only a mill bastard file and have them shaving off clumps of arm hair in no time. I used to try to hone them even sharper on an Arkansas stone, but I found the stone actually dulls them down over what I achieve with just the file.

A new head needs about 30-40 very forcefull passes between each set of blades initially to remove the factory grind. After that, I use successively lighter and fewer passes until I'm down to one stroke per rotation with just the weight of the file on the head.

Oh, and add two more deer for me with the Woodsmans.
Doe, 8 yds from a treestand, dbl lung passthrough.
8-point, 9 yds from the ground, arrow penetrated ~12" from the front of the shoulder (heavy muscle) to the rear of the lungs. :)

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AK, thats some real nice deer, and an especially beautiful bow!

I have always used magnus, stos, and zwickeys in the two blade heads, but I have never used a three bladed head. (Except on my compound, and those were Muzzys, but I no longer use them). But the three bladed heads such as the either Woodsmen or Snuffers do interest me. On my two bladed heads, I use a bastard file to remove factory grind, coarse hone, fine hone, and a leather strop to sharpen my blades. I use a ds-24 for all my needs.

But this is what Magnus recommends for their three bladed heads, and I don't see how this would put a good angle on the blade, it seems too steep of an angle on the blade, to get them really sharp.

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Comments welcome!

Edited by - BobCo19-65 on 10/18/2002 08:58:46

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AK,

Congrats man!!! I am using diamond files, mill bastard, stones, have seen others using all kinds of tweaked out stuff to strop at the end. I figured someone who has used them and pushes them since they were concived would be able to get them hair popping sharp.....guess I was wrong there. He is using a file to nock the grind down, then a pocket stone to sharpen (takes off less then file), then he strops, I couldnt pop a hair if my life depended on it! I can get them close, but close dont count when it comes to sharp broadheads, either they are sharp, or they aint! I also cant mess with wheels and grinders (big machines), for I need a system that will work that is 1. ligth weight due to the nature of my hunts, 2 cheap, being I am no un employed, and 3 WORKS hehe.

Again congrats and thanks for the tips but for now, as in the past 11 years, I am a zwickey man and it looks like I'll stay that way for some time to come.....

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Has anyone tried anything like these to sharpend their woodsman or snuffers? They are suppose to put the 24 degree angle on them instread of the 30 degree.

http://www.valleytradarchery.com/Tru..._TAMER_KIT.jpg

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No, I would NOT use one of those things....on Snuffers OR Woodsmans.

First, there's no reason to.

Second, Mike sohm, who own Magnus and also makes the Woodsmans states that it weakens the tips of the heads.

JRW

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I often hesitate to what Magnus recommends through, especially since they recommend using the accusharp tool. I have found this tool to be way too inconsistant in the quaility of the edge it produces. Also, if magnus was at all concerned about the sharpness of their heads, then why are they so dull coming out of the package. I've heard the excuse that it keeps cost down, but I don't buy into that at all. I'm not saying that I don't like the heads, because I do and I shoot Stos two bladed heads exclusivily now on all my bows, which I beleive are made by magnus. I am interested in three bladed heads also (although I have never used one, but have seen others use them), but I am concerned about the sharpness of them. I can get the two bladed heads extremely sharp, but I'm just not sure about the three. And what Magnus recommends for them just doesn't seem right to me. I just want to find out what I can before I buy any. JRW, can you personally guarantee me that by using the recommended sharpening technique used by magnus will get my 3 bladed heads to shave hair? Will a 30 degree angle used on the 3 bladed head be as sharp as the even consistant 24 degree angle that I can get on my two bladed heads? Or will I have to sacrifice sharpness if I go to a three balded head.

Your opinion is important to me.

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Mike,

&quot;JRW, can you personally guarantee me that by using the recommended sharpening technique used by magnus will get my 3 bladed heads to shave hair?&quot;

I can't make any guarantees on what anyone else does...but...

I can quarantee you this: My Woodsmans, sharpened with just a single mill bastard file and fine Arkansas stone, will leave a bald strip on my arm, just like my two blade heads will.

After eight deer in the last two years with Woodsmans, I have absolutely no reason to doubt the edge I put on them.

JRW

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I'll second what JRW says about the woodsman heads. Give me a mill bastard file and my stones and about 10 or 12 minutes and I'll have it scary sharp. Shave more hair off your arm than you want and that's no joke. I like these BH's a lot. Not planning on changing.

Strutter

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I'm gonna give them a try next year.

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Hey AK!!!
Nice deer! BUT MAN! What a beautiful bow!!
Make my pants tight!!!!!

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I got me some of those WW and did a little playing with a couple of them today. They flew very well and I was pretty impressed with them. I found them to sharpen vary easily and used the same method that I used for snuffers. With nothing better to do today I sharpened up all 6 WW and 5 snuffers that I had from previous years. I now have 11 scary sharp broadheads and almost no hair left on my left arm. That is really saying something because if you ask anybody that knows me I am covered with a nice thick pelt of heavy black hair over roughly 80% of my body. I used a 10 bastard mill file, a fine stone, ceramic stick and peice of leather just like I did with my snuffers and got the same hair popping sharpness that I expected. I thought that the needle point looked a little weak so I clipped it off with snips and filed it down to a chisel point. I have a carbon epic 500 that I doctored up with a weight tube and .80 string trimmer line to a weight of 630gr that flies like a dart with the 155gr WW screw in. The WW also shoots nice on my 2020 eastons. I did notice that the carbon arrow at 630gr shot noticably faster than my 2020 eastons at 600gr and penetrated about 50% more. Out of my 60lb crusader I have little doubt that I could push one of these WW clean through a moose or a couple deer standing side by side. I really like the fact that the ww has the solid tip unlike the snuffer wich has the little vent in the tip, I have always felt that that was a weakness. I feel that you would be hard pressed to tell the difference between either a WW or a snuffer with the ww <u>possibly</u>having a slight edge in penetration. I would say snuffers for higher poundage and weight arrows and ww for lighter wieght arrows and poundage. I also think that the WW are a little easier to tune and seem to want to fly better without having to play with them than the snuffers. Having seen snuffer blood trails I expect no less of the WW, short and heavy.