OK - I ran the ballistics - hard to believe - so what is the down side of this bullet?

I don't have any in my bullet cabinet?

I was shooting big bullets again today and having a lot of fun. It was 30 degrees and snowing. Just perfect flannel shirt weather. I wanted to test some different powders and see how they behaved and compared them to other powders.

Yet, your point about the smaller bullets is well stated. Those smaller bullets for deer size critters is really I think all that is needed if they were placed right. After all, what you are shooting when you down size like that is the same thing a lot of the .45 caliber rifles are shooting and they kill deer every day with them rifles. I was running ballistics on the 200 grain Shockwaves today and as you said, they are an impressive .40 caliber projectile.

This is very close to the same path I get out of the 250 gr. Shockwave. Three inches high at 100 is about 5" low at 200; for a load going about 2060 fps at 8,000 feet. What powder charge are you using to make 2,000 with the 200 gr.? I also wonder how much higher the ballistic coefficient is on the 200 grain Shockwave. Got to be better than a flat point pistol bullet.

Roskoe

Roskoe I did not take the chrono with me today I was tryingto be conservative with a 200 grain velocity. Most velocities I have seen for this bullet have been running 2400 fps so I backed down on my velocity. Next trip I will get them chrono'ed.

I was only shooting 90 grains of t7-3f today, but i am thinking I can go to 100 without a problem. I recovered the sabots and there was no sign of stressor excess heatshowing in the cups. Most of the sabots even the petals were still attached. MMP HPH 50/40 sabots.

I am to cheap to buy the SST/Shockwaves to expensive - so the other day when I was in Lewiston I just bought a box Hornady XTP Holloe Points, then ordered the sabots from MMP. I did not think I would really like that light of a bullet from a ML - but, dang they shot nice and if the ballistics are real - they are down right scary...... now will the bullet do it's part at that velocity???? This is when I wish I had some of "jell" I see on CSI shows. The worst part I had just sold myself on the the Speer Gold Dots - I wonder if Speer offers this in a Gold Dot - dang! just looked only 180 grain... I also checked the BC of the SST's 200 grain BC - 265 nice step up but to expensive to play with....

I'm kinda in the same boat. Had a real nice accurate load with the 300 grain Speer Gold Dot all ready test on some unsuspecting critter . . . . until I tried the 200 gr. Shockwave. MyOmega shot it very well with 110 grains of JSG fffg. Chronograph is broken, so no idea of speed. Some other folks on this board (Cayugad?) have reportedgoodaccuracy using 110 grains of ffg T7 behind 200 grain Shockwaves, so I would suspect that going up to95 to 100 grains of fffg would be no problem.

The 40 caliber 180 grain Speer Gold Dot was the duty load for the law enforcement agency I recently retired from.Designedto perform perfectlyat about 950 fps. I don't think it would penetrate well at over 2,000 fps; although I would be surprised if it came completely apart.

Roskoe

See that is my concern also. I worry about the velociy that I am shooting this 200 grain XTP and the velocity it was designed to shoot at... Although the sst/shockwave is the same bullet with a polytip attached, to enhance BC and theoretically to help controlled expansion by driving the tip back into the bullet... Gees I wish I had some jell.

Might have to do the bundle of wet newspaper thing this summer. I would really like to know though.

I think 100 of T7-3F is all I might want to go out of Hawken barrel, I am going to do the 110 -2f from my inlines. Just wish I new if the bullet was anygood....

sabotloader,That 200gr shoots tight groups all the way from 100 to 150 with APP in my new Omega. I am scared to believe my old Chrony; muzzle loaders just don't shoot that fast.The secional density is good it is over 2 calbers long and the new bonded ones should hold together as good as a center fire bullet the way they are made.
If you feel like it a graph at 2450 and with the "0" at 175 would be very interesting. Lee

Roskoe

Like a vision in the night it finally came to me WHY I can not shoot 10mm's, and WHY it doesn't matter how good the ballistic's look, nor how good the bullet performs....

Idaho - minimum bullet from an ML @ big game - 44 cal. Well that leaves me with shooting paper, beer cans, & rocks. I new there was a reason that I had not experimented with the 40 cals sooner - goodness know I have shot most everything else that is resonalbly priced, copper clad, and will go down a ML. Glad I didn't go overboard and by four or five boxes of the darn things.

That would also throw out the 200 grain Shockwave as I remember reading that it too is a .40 caliber projectile.

I guess I better recheck my regulations before I decide this is a good hunting load as I too remember reading something about a minimum requirement for Wisconsin although I thought it was .40 caliber so I would still be safe I believe.

cayugad

Yep! the 200 grain 10mm (40 cal) XTP and the 200 grain SST/Shockwave are the same base bullet - come ot of the same mold EXCEPTthe placement of the Polymere tip on top.

I had never looked at the ballistics of the 200 - 10mm - 40 cal before yesterday, but I was certainly amazed when I did. OMEGA and his wife on Modern Muzzleloaders site kinda started my interest in the 200 but at that time I knew I could not use it - so how that infromation fell out of my head last week when I bought that box of XTP's I do not know, - old age, I guess...

Make a great ML vermit bullet, a great "yote" bullet if I were into hunting "yotes" - I KNOW I will use it this spring shooting ground squirrels in the meadows. That could really be fun. Oh! I am having a vision -I can see I am going to need another scope - a Varment scope for a ML. that will go over like a rock in a lake....

Have fun today - you will probably get to shoot ML - I'm off to the trap range....