Bowtech Equalizer cam issue/question
 

I know the whole thing has been debated over several times, but how much cam lean/limb twist are you guys seeing on your equalizer bows?

I looked at mine tonight and it seems mine has quite a bit of lean to the top cam, I'm talking 1/8" and I'm getting an approximate 2" right tear with the rest set-up at about 7/8" center shot, no vertical tear when trying to papertune, I know papertuning isn't the be all tuning method but arrow flight is horrendous.

I'm using various arrows, cxl2 250, x-cutter, acc 3-49, gt xt 55-75, etc at 60lbs with 30" draw, arrows are approximately 28-28.5" nock goove to insert w/ 100gr tips.

Any help would be appreciated in getting rid of some of the cam lean/limb twist to see if this changes anything would be greatly appreciated.

I'm really bummed about this as I really like the bow, best Bowtech I've owned.

DLE

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Just another note, I took measurements of the axle to axle length on each side of the bow and it is approximately 1/8" different.

Need help guys.

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If your bow isn't set up this way,, try it and see; The cable coming from the large cable track on the top cam should pass INSIDE the cable coming up from the large cable track on the bottom cam. My Allegiance came to me the opposite way and there was just a bit of lean. I picked up the wife's Defender and noticed that it was cabled the way I outlined and it had VERY little lean. I made the changes to my Allegiance to match the Defender and there is now ZERO lean,, anywhere. I still have my cables crossed below the guard rod but I had to flip my slide upside down to match the new Defender's slide. My slide now has the drop away tab pointing up and the long slot of the slide is towards the riser;)

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WWAG-

I'll check it out tonight, but I highly doubt that with the cables cris-crossed wrong that I'd be getting as much lean as I am, the top limb is noticeably twisted at rest and it is only worse at fulldraw.

I will say IMHO the lean is so bad I struggle to keep the bow in a vertical position as the bow seems to want to keep the cams vertical.

Just curious what is the centershot on your bow?

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Just FYI.

I'm not sure if this would make any difference, but my Allegiance came shipped with the long slot forward on the slide. I checked around looked at a lot of Allegiance picks and they all had the short slot forward. My buddies Old Glory cam with short slot forward as well.

I contacted Bowtech and they said they made a switch and the cable guards are now shipping with long slot forward.

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It does make a difference because I noticed after I made the cable switch, my point of impact chaned. I beleive that there's less cable rod torque now on my Allegiance;)

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No noticable lean on my OG, but I have not measured anything. It shoots too well to change something or worry about something.

JMAC

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Double Lung--what I can tell you, BowTech is now using cams with a wider axle bearing hub and also one 'thicker' shim on either side of the cams.
This should raise the eye brows--don't you think?
I can also tell you that some bows are coming with more noticable limb twist than others.
Russ is fortunate to have gotten one of the better configurations, and I'm indeed happy for him.
If it is a bad as you mention, I would consider asking your Pro Shop to order you in a pair of these newer cams--just to see if it helps.
I think these EQ Bows will be much better next year--seems that they are some teething problems and it also appears BowTech is aware of this--even though they're aren't saying very much--eh BowTech Shooter-;).

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Bad enough that I'm seriously considering dumping the bow if I can't get it figured out soon, started to pull the trigger on getting rid of it but thought I would give it another chance. I really like the draw on these bows and the performance but not worth the headache right now.

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Have you even taken it to be looked at? It can't be something that couldn't be easily fixed.

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buckeye-

i consider myself a pretty good bow mechanic and do 99% of all my own work, partly because 99% of bow shops around me just suck when it comes to customer service and work.

at fulldraw I would say the lean is atleast 1/8" if not more, I can see both sides of the cam and then some at fulldraw. I can also rock the limb back and forth by the cam enough to get rid of the limb twist/cam lean when the bow is at brace.

I currently have centershot just over an 1", 3/16" adjustment with about 1/2" improvement in my papertears at this rate I'll be over 1 1/2" for centershot to get something close to a bullethole, something doesn't seem right.

I'm working with a dealer, who I trust and unfortunately not local, to see if we can't get this thing figured out, I mean it when I say I really like the equalizer system, but I'm not going to mess around with a bow that came from the factory obviously not up to snuf for any period of time, I just move on and don't deal with that mfg again..

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If you can do that, there is something definitely wrong. Find a reputable Bowtech dealer around, even if it requires a little driving to get to it. Have them check it over and contact Bowtech to make the repairs.

I'm seeing a very small amount of lean in mine, not much to worry about but its there. The important thing is this bow shoots like a dream for me and I haven't been this thoroughly happy with a bow in a long time.

Don't give up on this bow. If you can't find a dealer around, contact Bowtech directly and talk to someone. I'm sure they will take care of you.

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Nolan,

If you're seeing an 1/8" difference at brace than something's certainly not quite right and you should get it looked at. I just measured the axle to axle length on 6 Equalizer Cam bows at brace and they are all less than 1/32" from side to side.

On the Equalizer Cam bows center shot is approx. 15/16"-1" from the side of the riser to the middle of the shaft.

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I think ampahunter is right about the limb, some limb have more ''limb twist'' than others. I ordered a allegiance about two months ago and my dealer send it back because of that, at full draw the cam was leaning a lot and the one i have now is perfect no cam lean at all. Like ampahunter said Bowtech is aware of that but they better do something this year and not in 2006 because they lost and will lost some sales because of that.

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got a new set of limbs on the way, hopefully that'll take care of the problem, looks like it could be mis-drilled axle holes.

i have to agree that the limb twist issue while minute in some instances and doesn't seem to have an affect while with other bows it is a lot and causes problem, don't take it home unless it is papertuning some where between 7/8" - 1" centershot, imho.

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WWAG
can you post some pictures, I waited to long to send this bow back for a correction, currently I'm still waiting on a Defender and I am way to far out of town.

thanks.

by the way did you have to put the bow in a press and remove the strings to make them the same as the Defender? because my cables, I think, run the same way you mentioned but my cable slide has the tab on the bottom.....

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Yes you need to use a bow press to change the cable routing on your bow. Here's a pic;)

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Thanks WWAG, good angle pics I could see it just great, I notice you shoot aluminums, cool, what kinda rest is that it looks like a modified boddle, nice set-up too....

Thanks again sir.......

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You're welcome;) I like the better tolerances of Easton's aluminum components for accuracy with fixed blade heads for hunting. The extra weight of the arrows helps absorb the bow's energy instead of more of it going into my sight and rest and makes a more quiet shot. The rest is my own drop away I call the Plainsman;)
P.S.,, when buying my aluminum arrows, I know that I'm getting 12 great arrows for a good price. I do buy and shoot carbons but I've yet to take a single animal with one.