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This is getting to be quite out of hand.


What I am speaking of is trusting the "TECHNOLOGY" instead of learning the do's and dont's along with the technology.Technology is quite usefull and I love it.Archers Advantage is great and I trust it but I always double check the results on the range.


I had a newly aquired friend have a so called proshop lazer tune his bow.They had the centershot so far out that he couldn't even adjust his sight out far enough to set his pins.This is absolutely ludicrous for somenoe in a shop to set a bow to a lazer and just assume that it is right.Anyone in a shop should know that centershot is more important than what the lazer says.I am not sure what they did to get it so far out but I was absolutely amazed when I saw the bow .


We were getting ready to shoot our indoor 3-d league and had about 30 minutes to get the bow right and sighted back in.I proceeded to give the bow an eyeball tune and took the rest off the bow to get it adjusted right(couldn't get to the screw because of the tec riser) I set center shot and then eyeballed the sights back in and even had to adjust the rest heigth and then we went to sight in.It was off about 3"-4" at 30 yards to the left and we quickly adjusted.Shot 40 and he was right on.


The funny thing is he shot his highest score yet with an eyeball tune.

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I have a friend who can eyeball one in like that every time. Everytime I bought a new peice for my XI he would do it and I would be within a couple of inches at twenty yards gauranteed.

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Thats strange![&:] Either they (proshop) lied to him about the laser or the individual using the laser had no clue what they were doing for it to be that far off.
It's not the "end all" tool but if someone can eyeball center shot and get it alot closer than a laser somethings wrong.

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some bows don't laser tune well... Due to the riser not being square or any # of things. I always tell the customer that it's just a starting point.. and that further tuning will be needed possibly to fine tune center shot. When I setup a new bow.. I'll use the laser.. then eyeball it to verify that it's centered. Could I do this w/o the laser... yes... but customers like to see the laser being used. Alot of customers think the laser is the end all be all.. when it's just a tool... and only as good as the person using it.. or the item it's being used on.

Just reminded me of when I was in a "pro shop" a few years back.. and he offered to laser tune my new bow.. it was a real bargain at $65... I told him "no thanks" and went home and paper tuned... followed by group tuning.

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I don't know an experienced bow shop worker who would bother with a laser. After you set-up a couple hundred rests, it gets pretty easy to know by eye or tape measure, where the centershot is going to be. When working with a particular brand, it's almost always going to be within 1/16" of the same spot. I like to paper tune to get my nocking point close. Then the rest is done on the range.

I think some shops use it to try and impress people. The average guy walking in, doesn't know squat about setting up a bow, and will believe almost anything.

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Laser center shot tools will never take into account one factor GRIP TORQUE

Oh and I forgot cabelrod torque allso

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Straightarrow,you basically summed up my feelings exactly.



Lazers can be used quite effectively on a bow but the centershot lazers leave a lot to be desired.You can do much better with the lazer from spott hogg and adjust and align your cams provided you are able to do it at full draw.Like Kbacon said,some bows risers are not square at the spot that the lazer sits so the lazer will lie to you.As a shop owner you need to understand this and know how to setup a bow without fancy gadgets for best results.


I know this shop lost a customer over it.[:o]

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The lasers 'once used correctly' will give you the information and part of the result you're trying to achieve when setting up a bow.
This is not to say it cannot be done without the lasers--it certainly can., and have been tuned this way for many, many years.
More so, the lasers are mostly used at 'static' state. When a bow is pulled to full draw (dynamic mode), quite a few things changes, things that you did not see with the laser. This is when the shooter has to self tune his/her bow for the best performance.
Levels & lasers are useful (if you know how to use them)--but in the end it all comes down to tinkering with the nock, rest, sight, tiller, cable rod, cable guard and matching your shafts to what your bow is doing.
Of coures the archers constant 'form' also play an important role it all of this, as a bow is only as good as the person shooting that bow.

TFOX--- " I know this shop lost a customer over it".
I would like you to consider, that it could help if you were to go back to the shop. Let the guy know of his 'mistake'--we're all humans and we will make mistakes one time or another. Some are very costly, stupid and unimaginable--but it sure helps when you're able to correct these mistakes in the future.
I have made my share of these mistakes!!!
If the Pro Shop owner is a gentleman--and 'most' usually are, he will offer you something else without charge. Something of this sort builds that relationship--sometimes the things that have the worse starts have the 'best endings'.
Let's live, love & enjoy life!!

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amp,you kinda miss the point.This bow was so far out of wack that there is no way this person has any idea of how to tune a bow properly.He just put the lazer on the bow and called it good.He obviously doesn't understand the importance of centershot.He obviously didn't understand that some bows can use a lazer and others can't.



I have no desire to help this person because of his attitude.I walked in on him putting down my brand of bow and the shop that I am a shooter out of.The funny thing is the shop I shoot for doesn't own a lazer and I will bet you that when a bow leaves his shop that the bows centershot is correct.


For the record,I do normally help any and all that ask but I have learned through experience that many don't want your advice when it isn't asked for,no matter how valuable it is.;)

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You're entitled to your opinion--but have you thought you could be 'saving another archer/hunter' the agro you went thru with this guy, if you were to at 'least' let him KNOW of his faults/errors/mistakes--whatever!! (Being as polite as possible on my description).

(For the record,I do normally help any and all that ask but I have learned through experience that many don't want your advice when it isn't asked for,no matter how valuable it is.)
Now this is when you have to move on for sure!!!
We call that kind the 'know it all' here in TO. I've met some of those myself and I sure gotya on that. ;).

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It is funny you should bring this subject up. I had a gentleman in the shop on Saturday who had some pretty wild suggestions regarding fletching styles. He claimed to have high speed photography/film footage that clearly demonstrated a high frequency signal emitted by vanes. This, in his opinion, was the reason that deer "jumped the string".

I had never heard of such a thing but did listen to what he had to say. Have any of you heard of something of this nature?

As for the laser issue, I think the laser centershot tool can be very useful on some bows but I have also found that it will not work on all of them. On some bows it can lead to very poor centershot placement. To assume that the laser is always correct sounds like somebody is just asking for trouble. Nothing with archery gear is absolute.

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PAB, I've never heard that. In fact, I switched back to feathers with a strong helical this past year (after about 4 years with vanes) and the deer seemed to notice my shots this year, more than in the past few - may have been coincidence. Or maybe I need a quieter bow!

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pab,yes I have often thought the same about noisy arrows on longer shots but I can't imagine that a deeer will hear an arrow at close distances and then be able to move.I would think that they would have to hear the bow at release to actually have a chance to move.


Straightarrow,I also went back to feathers with helical and when standing off to the side you will definately hear a high pitch noise but most vanes are noisier from the side but at a lower pitch.