Olink:

I'm not a sadistic SOB, I'm a sadistic COF.[:@] Just ask Davidmil.

In a sentence, it is NOT cam lean but the limb (very normal with today's technology) twisting intermittently to make the cam look like it's leaning.

The way it was being presented and accepted was that it was the fault of the new cam design, whereas it isn't.

I too wanted to take a second to thank Len for his time. I truly appreciate someone providing factual information based on actual test results versus hearsay or speculation. Thanks.

I have taken the alliegence apart at my shop and I was also impressed at how "tight" this bow is put together. Though they were really good last year also. IMO



Len,

Thanks for clearing this issue up. Great report I always look forward to your input.

Len,, do you think that going to a wider limb on this and other cam designs can help to provide more resistance to limb torque?? The cost of manufacturing the limbs will go up (due to the use of more material) but the limbs could be slightly thinner to achieve the same deflection??

Maybe I missed it but did you answer the question posed ? or is that sadistic SOB thing ringing of some truth

Anyway the thing I did pick up on is what most want to here

I must say I am actually very happy to hear this report. After all of this talk about cam lean on the other thread I wondered about how prevelant it was. So I went home and looked at my other bows to see what I could find. I found that on my Merlin twin cam I had no noticeable lean statically, but at full draw there was cam lean[] (not my Merlin!!!). On my Hoyt single cam I noticed some slight lean in a static state and some very noticeable lean at full draw. This was not surprising due to it being a single with split limbs. I was a bit concerned about this so I pressed my Merlin and checked out the bushings and they seemed fine. I didn't take the axles out because I'm not comfortable doing that myself. With the results I found I was pretty worried that I had issues with my bows (not that I shoot well enough for it to effect me, but still). It's good to know that this is common and that even the highest quality limbs will experience some twisting.

Len thanks for your report. I don't know what schlubs like me would do without guys like you. I think I know just enough to get myself into trouble and worry about things I don't need to. Thanks again, great work.

Thanks for the report Len I an many others appreciate you taking time out of your day to come up with an answer to many peoples question. Also I would like to thank you for all the valuable info you provide. If I was closer to maryland you would no doubt be the pro-shop I would visit, and I mean PRO SHOP!!!

Sorry but I'm new at this archery stuff. Are you saying you are getting 300 fps through a chronograph? In asking about speed to the guy who sold me my bow ( bought at Basspro) he explained to me that while my bow was rated at 309 IBO it would likely shoot around 240fps. In a test I read I think in Outdoor Life they tested it at @225 fps I believe. I bought a reflex grizzly, 60-70 lb. I have it set at 27" (its a 27-30) and 70 lbs. My arrows are 27 1/2" long and weigh 11 GPI (red head carbon fury 350) and I have 125gr field tips on. I think that should put them around 430 grs. It has a peep site but no kisser or string silencers yet. Anybody want to guess at what kind of speed I might expect with this setup. I doubt if I will be doing much shooting past 30 yds for quite a while. Black bear will be the first animal I hunt with my new bow and I tend to place my bait around 20 yds rom the stand.

Thats good to hear from someone who knows what they're talking about. Good job Len.

One question. I realize this is just something else to throw into the mix. But, with the limb twisting like it does. Will this cause weakening and possible failure in the future? Based off of what I've read, it doesn't seam like it would since most, if not all bows have some sort of limb twisting going on anyway.

Just curious.

Walks:

I'll leave limb design to those who work with it on a day to day basis. They've improved tremendously over the last decade. Let's just hope they continue to improve.

MM:

Just what I mentioned above should give reason to trust present limb designs. Yes, things will get better as technology improves. It always does.

To one and all:

Thank you very much for your kinds words and support. And, always keep in mind that we learn from each other as long as we keep it civil.