mathews safari
 

I had thought about buying the mathews safari.Wen i went to the bow shop the guy said,that the safari has no new tec on it.That it is built in an old way and that a new outback or most of the new 70# bows would shoot faster than a #80-#90 bow.I have been shooting at #78 for the last 3/4 years.
I do not buy a bow every year so i would like to make a informative buy.

ty charles bradford

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You Dealer is handing you some bull. Mathews does not ake a lot of Safari's but the bow is really a beefed up version of the Conquest or close to it. Since it goes up to a 100# pull I would imagine it would send a arrow along rather quickly! The Safari is designed for big game like in Africa. For your average deer hunter I would say it would be a bit of overkill.

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The couple of Switchbacks that we looked at came in 3-5 lbs heavy and that bow holds real well and is very powerful. I'd look at that one, just make sure about the draw they're running a half inch long.

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NOT to good I have emailed mathews many days ago with no addvail.

I hunt elk,moose and bear I do hunt deer allso. This year I am going to a 2 1/2 broadhead .

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Elkin !

There is absolutely no need for you to be pulling 70+ for moose and deer sized animal's. I hunt moose with 60# with no problem ,so why have to pull the extra wieght if you don't need to, at the very least I'd go to a 70# bow if your comfortable with it .Here in Ont all you need to hunt moose is 50# to be legal. I'm sure you would be alot more comfortable at pulling less since your only hunting moose and deer .

Yes ! I have to agree that you can get a different bow that shoot's smoother ,draws smoother and shoot's faster than the Safari, I'd definetly be getting something other than the Safari for your type of hunting .

NO SAFARI

nubo

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nubo
I do a ton of elk so far i have not lost one. This last year i hunted the MO breaks and there was a ton of elk shot that did not get pass thoughs. I found 4 my self ALL had good shots placement but the arow hit the sholder. Hiting a sholder with a 60# bow and light arrows means no pass if there is any misstakes.Right at the monent I shot a 78# hoyt and a log as every one calls it. I have only shot 4 elk but all where pass thoughs 2 went tough sholder blades.I have only lived in MT for 6 years so i have only hunted elk in that time.

I hunt with 4 dif guys so far not one of them has had a sholder hit and get a passthough.They do allso kill elk most every year and they shot 60 to 70# bows. And so far in the time i have been hunting with them all of them have lost a elk or 2 from loss of blood track. We did find them in the next day or two by using birds but did not get the meat. Only lost one that was never found.

AS all bow hunters I do what works for me. Stay out side the box

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I agree Elkin,that if that is what you feel work's for you then that's fine ,but I wasn't telling you that you were wrong ,you asked for advice and that's just my opinion, since I hunt moose with a 60# bow and we are yet to lose one and I don't believe for a minute that a Elk can be that much harder to take down. So what ever your comment stay outside the box mean's ,but I take it as mind your own business. You asked and I answered.

nubo

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no way dose it meen to not speek your mind. It meen that I do difrant things than most people.Sorry for the missunderstanding I did not meen anything of the sort. Elk are much harder to kill than moose in my opinion. If you shoot a moose he walks about 100 yards then stands there to die. Elk seem to run down hill as far as they can. Kinda like shooting a deer on stairroids.

I was not trying to give you crap just explaning why i would like a 80# bow :}

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I would try one of the newer bows shooting your hunting arrow at 70lbs and then try a safari shooting 80lbs with your hunting arrow and see what the difference in speed is. Then use that information to figure out how much KE each setup is making. With that information in hand you might see that one of the newer bows shooting 70#'s would produce nearly as much KE as a the Safari and be easier to draw to boot.

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I've never hunted Elk before but i do know all about moose ,I have to agree that Elk would move quite a bit faster than a moose ,But as for body size and in taking an arrow couldn't be much different. Sorry I misinturpreting your statement . Anyway's good luck in your search for a new bow, you'll definetly get the right advice here .

nubo

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Elk,

Not trying to tell you what to do but,imo, the PSE Gorilla from the custom shop and Bowman Accu-Riser are both superior bows to the Mathews Safari for shooting ultra heavy arrows from 80 to 100lb limbs.
The Gorilla weighs 5 1/2lbs and is extremely rugged but not in the same class as the Bowman.
Stewart makes a standard Accu-Riser II that goes 5lbs and an extra heavy version that goes 6 1/2lbs.
I have both versions and nicknamed my heavy version "Hercules" because it it Battleship strong.
It's the strongest built compound of all time.
The Gorilla goes for around $1,000.00 and so does the Bowman.
The Bowman is the far superior bow and much the better buy, jmo.
Here is a pic of Hercules. ;)



Sag.

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The new Moon bow with the long Mathews style riser and parallel limbs would suit your needs too.
It has Barnsdale limbs and since Dave builds them to 100lbs and more, this bow can be had with them.
The only down side, the Moon bow goes for $2,000.00
It weighs 6lbs and has a type 3 anodized finish.
The best finish in the industry.
The MOON bow has no limb pockets as they are integral.
It is the strongest built long riser parallel limb bow available.
Here is a pic of the riser as it's not quite available yet.


Sag.

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wow- neat stuff- especia;;y the bowman bow.
I shoot a patriot dual cam at 73 lbs. It spits a 475 grain arrow at a legitmate 270. Pretty good, but not an "all angles" bow like my buddys. He shoots 90 lbs. He slings a 650 grain 2419 at 260 and shoots deer at "all angles". I firmly believe you should shoot as much weight as you can.

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Have A thought as to the arguement why not. I am able to ge to matthews site this late in the evening But believe that most of there bows now are ajustable to 65% let off (for P&Y) which in something like the new SwitchBack with a 7" braceheight @ 70# would definitly transferr into that heavy hitter long as keep shooting something in the +10 gpi arrow (not broad head) plus the broadhead at say 125 grains.
My thinking is this a 65% your letoff is not a great meaning there is more push off the release and the 7" brace height is a longer push on a 30" arrow...More K.E. Just my interpation.
good luck
Greg

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Here is a link with some of the specs on the Safari, http://www.archery.ch/mathews/safaricustom.htm It's not in english but you can get most of the details.

Here is a picture of the bow, as you can see it is very heavy duty!

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OB,

The Safari does look well built.
It looks like a Mathews on steroids.
Heard it was a beefed up 2QXL
The Mathews Pro Star is really massive too.
If I got a Mathews, I would want the Pro Star just to have something unique. ;)


Sag.

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Hi Sag. I saw a Safari 2 years ago at the ATA show & it was a really beefed up bow. It was kind of a strange bow, it's kind of a mix between a Q2XL & a Conquest. The cam is 65% and very close in design to the Max Cam used on the Conquest. It was a heck of a heavy duty bow thats for sure, too heavy in my opinion for your average hunter to lug around all day in the woods! In fact everything about the Safari was beefed up! I am sure the Gorilla & the Samson by Bowtech are both great "Safari" bows.

Those Moon's look nice, I e-mailed back & forth with him a while back over on AT. He seems like a really dedicated guy, I hope he has luck getting out of the starting gate. I am afraid he won't do too well, just way to expensive and I am afraid he won't be able to handle any warranty issues in a fast manner. I would be more inclined to get a Bowman with some custom Barnesdale limbs, I feel they could handle any warranty issues in a faster turn around. I also think Barnesdale makes a heck of a limb & he is on track from his early days Pearson. They had some really inventive products when the Pearson family had Pearson in Little Rock. I also think his concept with the Moon riser is sound but to be honest the camo will kill it. Woodland camo is viewed as a "cheap" camo anymore instead of a high quality product (we all know it still works great!). He also tends to be a bit too much like an AR in geometry which I know he took some major BS over on AT. I do wish him well with his bow/project. When are you going to design a bow? I bet you could team up with Bowman & make a heck of a bow design!

So how are things down south? did you guys get much of that snow storm the week of x-mas? We got some major snow out of it up here in No. KY. I bet you guys are getting some bad flooding right now too.....the Ohio is getting up out of it's banks & it always gets worse down river.

Take care & Happy New Year!

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OB,

Flooding hasn't been too bad in my immediate area but Southern Idiana is not doing well.
But expect more rain so who knows what will happen ?
I like the Moon bow's camo but most guys like the fancy but less durable dipped finishes.
I much prefer a hardcoat finish that's almost wear proof.
But the $2,000.00 price will be a big hurdle.
I would jump on it if it were $1,000.00 ;)
A few guys have asked Stewart to bring out a conventional riser in the past but he says it would infringe on patents to do so.
I don't see how if it's his own idea though.
I guess, he doesn't want to get away from his trademark swivel grip.
Almost like Mathews offering a dual or cam .5 ;)
You have a great new year too !


Sag.

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Just a thought, but for that hard finish you want, why not get it sprayed with Rhino lining or LineX like they used in truck beds, they're both practically indestructable, and would keep the bow in great shape.