The Allegiance has arrived! (pic added)
12-28-2004, 10:37 AM
#11
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2003
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RE: The Allegiance has arrived!
I have seen the question asked about these new equalizer cam BowTechs but have not seen it answered yet. So I'll ask.......Is there any cam lean??
I had a Patriot dually earlier this year and the cams leaned. I was not able to get it to tune unless I strightened the lean out by twisting the split yokes. It smoked, bad part is I couldn't keep the cams from leaning, after about 100 shots the force of the shots was either stretching the short side of the yoke or it was pulling it through and causing the lean to come back. The bow went back and I'm now shooting an Xtec. I should have waited to buy because the Allegiance/Old Glory is really what I was wanting when I purchased earlier this year, that is, if the cams aren't leaning.
Can someone that has one of the equalizer cam bows answer this question?? It would be greatly appreciated by me and I'm sure some others out there. It probably won't be appreciated so much by my wife, because if the answer is the cams do not lean, I will be selling the Xtec and buying a BowTech.
Thanks
MN_BOWHUNTER
I had a Patriot dually earlier this year and the cams leaned. I was not able to get it to tune unless I strightened the lean out by twisting the split yokes. It smoked, bad part is I couldn't keep the cams from leaning, after about 100 shots the force of the shots was either stretching the short side of the yoke or it was pulling it through and causing the lean to come back. The bow went back and I'm now shooting an Xtec. I should have waited to buy because the Allegiance/Old Glory is really what I was wanting when I purchased earlier this year, that is, if the cams aren't leaning.
Can someone that has one of the equalizer cam bows answer this question?? It would be greatly appreciated by me and I'm sure some others out there. It probably won't be appreciated so much by my wife, because if the answer is the cams do not lean, I will be selling the Xtec and buying a BowTech.
Thanks
MN_BOWHUNTER
12-28-2004, 10:43 AM
#12
Giant Nontypical
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RE: The Allegiance has arrived!
I have not noticed any cam lean. It was a concern of mine as well and something I really looked at on each of the Equalizer cam bows I saw.
If there is any it is less than my eyes can pick up. I have no means to scientifically test for cam lean. Perhaps someone like Len in Maryland would have them means for such a test?
If there is any it is less than my eyes can pick up. I have no means to scientifically test for cam lean. Perhaps someone like Len in Maryland would have them means for such a test?
[8D] Sounds kinda "down under" huh!!
12-28-2004, 11:50 AM
#14
Giant Nontypical
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RE: The Allegiance has arrived!
MN.
From my understanding the Pat Dually the cam lean was built into the bow I too had some doubts about the cam lean on my 03 Pat Dually but that bow just shot lights out.
My 03 Pro40 Dually also had some cam lean but once again it did not effect the way the bow shot.
As far as I can see there is NO cam lean on my Allegiance.
From my understanding the Pat Dually the cam lean was built into the bow I too had some doubts about the cam lean on my 03 Pat Dually but that bow just shot lights out.
My 03 Pro40 Dually also had some cam lean but once again it did not effect the way the bow shot.
As far as I can see there is NO cam lean on my Allegiance.
12-28-2004, 02:59 PM
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RE: The Allegiance has arrived!
Dave.
The limbs from the patriot and the allegiance seem to have a different deflection as well. Also the reinforced limb tips on the 05's are a good idea since there is no more split harness.
I would venture to guess with new limbs and the equalizer cams you could retro fit an 04 Patriot riser??
The limbs from the patriot and the allegiance seem to have a different deflection as well. Also the reinforced limb tips on the 05's are a good idea since there is no more split harness.
I would venture to guess with new limbs and the equalizer cams you could retro fit an 04 Patriot riser??
12-28-2004, 07:12 PM
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RE: The Allegiance has arrived!
First, let me say that I have not yet REALLY completed any in-depth analysis of the new cam system. My cursory findings are very good so far. The nock travel looks good and the cam lean is more of a glimmer of hope fatal in some eyes rather than a reality.
Now keep in mind that I've only received two of the bows - Allegiance and Old Glory. The cam lean on both of these bows combined was almost non-existent. In fact, if I combined all the cam lean I saw on these two bows, it wouldn't add up to as much as I've seen as a norm on an average single cam bow. And, for the most part, they perform well.
As far as the cam lean on the Dullys, AG is correct. The cam lean on those bows was 'designed in' and fooling with it without this knowledge can develop other problems.
I played with both the Allegiance and Old Glory tonight to try to decide which one I'll order in LH for myself. One of my good customers, who has the same draw length, was really leaning towards the Allegiance until I brought out the Old Glory. We both shot the bows back and forth and finally agreed together that the Old Glory was better for us. For our draw length, the Allegiance was just too uncomfortable for 'good' form.
Could we shoot the Allegiance accurately? YES. Was it faster than the Old Glory? YES - by 5 fps. Were we willing to give up 5 fps for a more comfortable draw cycle and fit? You betcha!!
Now keep in mind that I've only received two of the bows - Allegiance and Old Glory. The cam lean on both of these bows combined was almost non-existent. In fact, if I combined all the cam lean I saw on these two bows, it wouldn't add up to as much as I've seen as a norm on an average single cam bow. And, for the most part, they perform well.
As far as the cam lean on the Dullys, AG is correct. The cam lean on those bows was 'designed in' and fooling with it without this knowledge can develop other problems.
I played with both the Allegiance and Old Glory tonight to try to decide which one I'll order in LH for myself. One of my good customers, who has the same draw length, was really leaning towards the Allegiance until I brought out the Old Glory. We both shot the bows back and forth and finally agreed together that the Old Glory was better for us. For our draw length, the Allegiance was just too uncomfortable for 'good' form.
Could we shoot the Allegiance accurately? YES. Was it faster than the Old Glory? YES - by 5 fps. Were we willing to give up 5 fps for a more comfortable draw cycle and fit? You betcha!!
12-28-2004, 09:14 PM
#19
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RE: The Allegiance has arrived!
Blodg
I set a Gold Tip Pro up at the specs mentioned earlier with 4 inch gateways and a 75 grain point. It put my arrow weight at 334.6 grains.
Shooting 5.15 gpp (65 # 334.6 grains) yields 310-312fps through my chrono.
Thats insane for a 29 inch DL and a loaded up string[8D]
I set a Gold Tip Pro up at the specs mentioned earlier with 4 inch gateways and a 75 grain point. It put my arrow weight at 334.6 grains.
Shooting 5.15 gpp (65 # 334.6 grains) yields 310-312fps through my chrono.
Thats insane for a 29 inch DL and a loaded up string[8D]
12-29-2004, 06:13 AM
#20
Nontypical Buck
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RE: The Allegiance has arrived!
Those are some great #ers and yes with new limbs, strings and cams it would be mo-betta just to sell the Pat and buy the Allegience if that's what I wanted to do.
Sounds like a great shooter!
Sounds like a great shooter!