Beman Metal Matrix Aluminum/Carbon Arrows vs. A/C/C
 

okay, so, what's the difference? why are the beman's $30-$40 cheaper a dz? they sound like the same arrow. (i've never shot the beman's before.) are the a/c/c's better quality or something? any opinions?

RE: Beman Metal Matrix Aluminum/Carbon Arrows vs. A/C/C
 

I would guess they are about the same. They are both made by easton. Have you checked the specs, I doubt there is much difference.

RE: Beman Metal Matrix Aluminum/Carbon Arrows vs. A/C/C
 

A/C/C's have a thinner walled aluminum core tube and 3 wraps of carbon ! They are slightly lighter weight but stonger and more consistant with the 3 wraps of carbon !

The Matrix on the other hand have a thicker aluminum core tube(giving them a little more weight)......but only 2 wraps of carbon ! Therefore they are easier to bend !

I didn't think the Matrix were even in the ballpark ........durability wise........when I tried them compared to A/C/C's !! JMHO :eek::D !

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ah, thanks for the info. :) i didn't realize they were made differently.

really, though, they were that much less durable? hmmm...

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I shoot matrix shafts , and love um . They are very durable , I have yet to bend one in 2 years .They are slightly fatter than accs , and slightly heavyer . They shoot about the same , very accurate . I hope they never stop makeing them .

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I shoot the matrix shaft also. I have had good luck with them and like the extra weight. I've found the durability issue to be a moot point with all the different arrows I've tried. If I miss and they don't hit anything hard they are good to go, if they hit something solid they all bend or break.

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if i'm not mistaken, the matrix didn't make the 2005 beman lineup. that's why i was inquiring about them. i thought if they are a pretty good arrow, then i might pick some up on low close-out pricing somewhere. does anyone know for sure if they are being discontinued?

as it stands now, i'm kind of stuck on the fence about whether i should buy them or not...some say they are not durable, some say they are...lol. btw, ijimmy and mez, would you happen to have a selection chart for the matrix? i can't seem to find one anywhere. also, do you use super uni bushings with the matrix shafts?

thanks for the help.

RE: Beman Metal Matrix Aluminum/Carbon Arrows vs. A/C/C
 

Yes they are discontinued for 2005, I talked to easton today to try and get a good comparison for you and the guy on the phone said the matrix is discontinued for 2005

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thanks for the help ash2042. :) i thought they were discontinued. anyone care to give a comparison between the matrix and a xx75 - durability wise? i'm sure the matrix must be more durable, but how much more?

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I was going to post the exact same question (difference b/t Matrix and A/C/C?)...wasn't expecting to see the Matrix will be discontinued for '05 though. Guess I can mark them off my comparison chart.

I currently shoot Carbon Express Terminator Hunters and have had decent success w/ them, but am always looking to improve my shooting by getting more reliable gear. I certainly don't mind spending a few extra bucks to get the better product, but do rely heavily on folks from these hunting forums. I will probably buy a half dozen A/C/C arrows and give them a whirl for '05 season. Does anybody want to talk me out of this?

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No, since that's a really really good idea... :)

I got the same advice from Jeff a few years ago. My shooting ability improved overnight :)

I've never looked back, and still have 4 out of the 6, one my release misfired and it went into a cement wall, the other sailed under a nice 10 point and into thick stuff never to be seen again.

Another great thing about ACCs, they match their tolerances so well I can call my guy and tell him to build me two more to matched specs, and they'll be exactly like the 4 I've got...

RE: Beman Metal Matrix Aluminum/Carbon Arrows vs. A/C/C
 

ouch, that's got to hurt at almost $12 a pop. :D

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You know, once you think you get things figured out, manufacturers like Easton have to go and make their products better. Jumped on their site a little bit ago and saw a link for their NEW A/C Superslims. Wonder how much these will be?

RE: Beman Metal Matrix Aluminum/Carbon Arrows vs. A/C/C
 

yup, i saw that as well...interesting, eh?

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Scared the crap outa me right quick...

It was my own stupidity, I was playing with light trigger settings... Live and learn :)

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Talk about a surprise release! :D

Had that happen to a guy i know once...he was a first time bowhunter...he shot for a year with a real light trigger setting. well, season rolls around and its cold. he finally gets an opportunity on a doe (his first deer). He drew his bow and waited for the doe to step out into his 20 yd opening...next thing you know --- thump! off his arrow goes through the woods. he never even felt the trigger through his gloves...you would think he would have learned his lesson, but nope. same thing happened the following weekend. after two times he readjusted his trigger...lol, i still laugh thinking about that... :D[8D]

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I had that happen with a doe I shot with my slug gun last year at 130 yards.

I had sent my gun back to H&R for a trigger job, came back beautiful, light and crips, just perfect. Practiced with it alot (dry) following the BRAS mantra, felt wonderful. Of course, without gloves.

Had a doe at 130 yards, put the crosshairs on her, put my gloved finger in the trigger gard, just barely moved my finger to set my pre-squeeze tension and BAM! Through the scope it looked like someone punched the doe in the side hard, she ran about 20 yards, stopped to look around and dropped. I was shaking in my boots, scared the CRAP outa me, again :)

When I got to her, slug had pin pointed my aiming spot. I never even felt the trigger move...

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Man thats bad news , Those are my favorite shafts , looks like Ill be shoot'n 390 accs . Or maybe give the new x75's a try , but I bet they are going to be pretty heavy . Damm I miss Jeff

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I started buying ACCs by the half dozen at my local shop. I can get the shafts for $50/half or 100/doz. I can't say that I am a good enough archer to warrant shooting ACCs, but they don't hurt my consistency one bit. Shot broadheads beautifully this year. I bought a new dozen shafts in August, and only finished up 1/2 of them. I could tell a difference in the grouping and broadhead accuracy from the 2 year old ones with multiple dents in the Unibushings! I have to stop shooting groups, I guess, but those Unibushings definitely saved me money, I'd say. I am going to get a dozen Gold Tip XTs from the guy (for $49) on sale. I figure they will be my "beater" arrows while I keep the ACCs for "show time."

RE: Beman Metal Matrix Aluminum/Carbon Arrows vs. A/C/C
 

The Matrix by Beman may be discontinued, but it is still being produced under the name A/C Kinetic by Easton. Great hunting shaft.

Andrew

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Joe,
While you may think your ability does not warrant the ACC's, many might think otherwise. You should always shoot the best, most consistant arrow you can afford. I believe Len in MD has a theory about the archery triangle, of which arrows are one of the components. I will try to find a link here.

JMAC

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jmac_or:

I know what you are talking about, Len's Tuning Trilogy-tune the bow, arrow, and archer. I can assure you the archer needs the most tuning!;)

I have, however, always believed the the arrows were very important, moreso than the specific bow being shot. I see lots of guys spend almost $1000 on a bow, sight, rest, etc. and then scimp on the arrows.

By joining a club last year, and getting to shoot more at long range than I have in some time (I used to live on 6 acres and could shoot to 50 yards daily, then the wife and kids wanted to move to town[:@]) I know there was improvement. Just have to rededicate to get better.

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hmmm, i didn't find the a/c kinetic shaft listed any longer on easton's website. are you sure they are still being made? it really doesn't matter to me, i guess. correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't the a/c kinetic shaft just a beman metal matrix in camo? i don't really think that the camo warrants an extra $40 per dz or so...:)

RE: Beman Metal Matrix Aluminum/Carbon Arrows vs. A/C/C
 

Was in the bow shop last week and one of the kids that works there said he just ordered 2 dozen Kinetics because they were no longer making them.

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well, i guess that confirms it then. [8D]

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Rangeball:

You could also do this. Equally expensive, somewhat less scary.;)