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HaGar43 09-29-2004 10:44 AM

WB Tuning advice needed
 
With 16 days til season I'm about to rip this WB off my bow. I really like the concept but can't shoot consistent groups out past 20 yards.

Tried paper tuning it last night and kept getting a nock right tear...anywhere from 1" to 1.5" no matter where I moved it.

Centershot seems good, the rip are straight right..

I'm shooting 2216 arrows with 125 grain fp 4" vanes.

My bow is set up at 64# with a 28" draw.

What am I missing?
(besides my old TM Hunter)

kreeves71111 09-29-2004 10:58 AM

RE: WB Tuning advice needed
 
I feel your pain! I posted earlier about it tearing up my vanes. It was suggested that I replace my original with the B2. Got one last night, taking it back on my lunch hour today. I have good groupings right now, so I am not gonna mess with it any more since the season opens here on Friday. As soon as the season is over, it is coming off my bow.

HaGar43 09-29-2004 11:09 AM

RE: WB Tuning advice needed
 
I have the new style WB.

I've read all the threads here and have been to the recommended sites. I can't figure it out.

Should I trim the disc?

Rangeball 09-29-2004 01:46 PM

RE: WB Tuning advice needed
 

Tried paper tuning it last night and kept getting a nock right tear...anywhere from 1" to 1.5" no matter where I moved it.

Centershot seems good, the rip are straight right..
I'm confused as to how centershot can seem good if you are getting that much of a right tear...

Have you tried adjusting the WB in small amounts until you get a bullet hole?

If you can't, is it possible you're arrows are underspined? If you think it might be a weak spine issue, try putting a lighter field tip on to stiffen it then try again, may tell you what you need to know...

WV Hunter 09-29-2004 01:55 PM

RE: WB Tuning advice needed
 
2216's should be fine. My guess is hand torque, if your centershot is good.

Carwi 09-29-2004 02:00 PM

RE: WB Tuning advice needed
 
HaGar43,

They make two sizes of WB's. One has a stantard size hole to use with aluminum arrows and one has a smaller hole for use with carbon's. When I used the WB I had the carbon one and shot carbon's fine but when I shot my 2219's they wouldn't fly well at all, fishtailing sort of. The grip was too tight even though you could seemingly pass the arrow through the rest easily. Your arrows may be too little spined as well. You didn't state your arrow length so I'll guess your arrow are 27-28"? You are right on the border to step up to 2219's. If you can try using a field tip of 75-100grs and see if you still get the right tear. If you don't get a tear with the 75 or 100gr tips then you are underspined to shoot the 125's on the 2216.

atlasman 09-29-2004 06:22 PM

RE: WB Tuning advice needed
 

ORIGINAL: HaGar43

With 16 days til season I'm about to rip this WB off my bow. I really like the concept but can't shoot consistent groups out past 20 yards.

Tried paper tuning it last night and kept getting a nock right tear...anywhere from 1" to 1.5" no matter where I moved it.

Centershot seems good, the rip are straight right..

I'm shooting 2216 arrows with 125 grain fp 4" vanes.

My bow is set up at 64# with a 28" draw.

What am I missing?
(besides my old TM Hunter)

That sucks.............It's not the WB...........but it still sucks.

I don't like paper tuning myself but if you are into chasing bullet holes then I would move your rest to the left in small increments and see what you get. That should correct your straight right tear.


Personally.......I am a stickler for arrow flight. I watch how an arrow flies very closely and once I hit that perfect lazer beam straight flight and have no clearence issues I quit and adjust my sights.........ready to rock.

I just don't always see perfect flight from bows shooting bullets in paper. Not to mention that you can change a paper hole at any given shot by slight torque.......just choke the grip and you will get different tears 9 out of 10.

Arrow flight doesn't lie.............and I'm not talking 20 yards. That is where I start but I don't quit until I see pure flight out to 50 yards.

Best of luck.............try adjusting the rest like mentioned above.

BOWFANATIC 09-29-2004 10:22 PM

RE: WB Tuning advice needed
 

Tried paper tuning it last night and kept getting a nock right tear...anywhere from 1" to 1.5" no matter where I moved it.

Centershot seems good, the rip are straight right..

I'm shooting 2216 arrows with 125 grain fp 4" vanes.

My bow is set up at 64# with a 28" draw.

What am I missing?

Before giving any advice I need to know how long your arrows are cut from insert to center of nock.

diyj98 09-30-2004 04:57 AM

RE: WB Tuning advice needed
 
My WB shoots bullet holes with the nock point about 3/8" high the the arrow rest a "good bit" left of perfect center shot. I know I read a lot of folks saying to set the WB perfectly level and centershot dead on, but that doesn't provide the best tear with my bow. I think you just have to experiment and find the best setup for you.

HaGar43 10-01-2004 09:49 AM

RE: WB Tuning advice needed
 

ORIGINAL: BOWFANATIC


Before giving any advice I need to know how long your arrows are cut from insert to center of nock.
Arrows are 29".

Thanks

BOWFANATIC 10-01-2004 07:35 PM

RE: WB Tuning advice needed
 

Arrows are 29".

Thanks
I PM'd you some instructions.

HaGar43 10-02-2004 02:39 PM

RE: WB Tuning advice needed
 
Thanks!:)

NickSnook 10-04-2004 06:14 PM

RE: WB Tuning advice needed
 
I do not know if this will be of much help, but I just did some whisker tuning on my high country bow. I was using and older biscuit that has both vertical adjustments and horizontal.
I was doing this to demonstrate how the TURBO NOCK tunes. (which is somewhat different than conventional arrows)
I started by using no set up tools and attempted to tune to a bullet hole by reading just the paper tears.
I did eyeball both horizontal and vertical center and then started shooting at 5 ft.
The first shot had a low left tear. I lowered the rest one click on the biscuit and shot again. The left tear came up closer to horizontal.
I lowered it one more click and the next shot was dead horizontal but still a little left. Here Is where the TURBO differs. At this point you would move the rest toward the tear with a conventional arrow, I moved the rest away from the tear one click and shot a bullet hole. (you can not see the left right adjustments on the photos)
Bottom line It ususally takes only very small adjustments to get the whisker to shoot bulletholes. I am attaching a photo of the tuning I did,
I sketched in the tears because they did not show up well.


Rangeball 10-05-2004 07:35 AM

RE: WB Tuning advice needed
 

Bottom line It ususally takes only very small adjustments to get the whisker to shoot bulletholes.
Words of wisdom I wish I'd had the opportunity to read before learning this through some frustrating trial and error...

HaGar43 10-06-2004 10:29 AM

RE: WB Tuning advice needed
 
I couldn't take the frustration anymore. I switched to a NAP 2000 fall away.

Using some advice from BF above.. it took me about 15 minutes to tune in.

(well I hade to have it re-served too after ripping off the nock points.)

Feeling much better now...I really like the drop away and it's MUCH quieter on the draw than the WB.

Anyone want a Biscuit LMK! lol

atlasman 10-06-2004 06:17 PM

RE: WB Tuning advice needed
 

ORIGINAL: HaGar43

I couldn't take the frustration anymore. I switched to a NAP 2000 fall away.

Using some advice from BF above.. it took me about 15 minutes to tune in.

(well I hade to have it re-served too after ripping off the nock points.)

Feeling much better now...I really like the drop away and it's MUCH quieter on the draw than the WB.

Anyone want a Biscuit LMK! lol

I am very glad you got yourself situated and happy/confident again.

You have got some big stones...........ripping the rest off your bow 10 days before the season [:o]


It's funny how different people can see so many different products as good or bad. I really think sometimes it comes down to personal preference rather then product quality.

I myself had a NAP 2000 Drop Away on my Bowtech and it was a complete nightmare!! I was even told directly from Bowtech that the NAP Drop Away will not work properly on my bow due to lack of cable travel. I changed to a WB and have never looked back.

Your experience seems to be just the opposite.

At least we are both happy.


Good Luck


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