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Big Country......That one is simple and I guess I wasn't clear as to what he was actually shooting.

My friends bow is a 2002 SINGLE cam "Infinity" model.
My bow is a 2001 and has the "BK" DUAL Cams.
2 completely different animals.

The Pro38 is only offered as a single cam option for 2002......any dual cam Pro38's are 2001's.
The new 2002 BKII is essentially the same bow as last years Pro38 DC , but with a nicer riser, slightly smoothed out cams, and a slightly lower brace height. (6.8" for 2001, 6.5" for 2002)


Edited by - Matt / PA on 03/03/2002 00:27:33

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My only comment on this subject is...."Did you check to see if the cable guard slide was installed correctly?"

The reason that I say this is because when I initially purchased my Pro 38 I attempted to install a Jennings Shockstopper for a cable guard slide.

I took the original slide off and installed the Shockstopper. Then, the bow really had some recoil. It literally jumped out of my hand during each shot. A little worried, I emailed Jeff about the situation. It turns out that, contrary to personal experience, the cables shouldn't cross where they naturally do when the bow is at rest, above the cable guard, but rather below it.

So, I changed back to the original cable guard slide and made sure that the cables were crossing below the cable guard and whollla!..the recoil level diminished.

The bow does have some vibration to it barebow, but I thought it was minimal at best....especially considering the speeds it was generating.

Like the others, I would guess that your bow has something else wrong with it.

To reiterate in case someone misunderstood my report on the bow....I did not put it up on Ebay because I felt that it wasn't what everyone made it out to be, but rather that it just didn't fit my personal tastes in bows. I would still recommend it to someone looking for that style of bow.

Edited by - PABowhntr on 03/03/2002 07:14:33

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Matt-

Dublelung posted his personal opinion. No &quot;confusion&quot; there. You also posted your personal opinion of how the bow felt in your hands, (no confusion there, either! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>) Altho there could indeed be something wrong with the timing of this particular bow as it does sound extreme, I know many people, (myself included) that feel the Bowtech's have more recoil than many bows on the market today. They have to have, it's common sense, they are some of the fastest offerings available anywhere and it simply takes a little more to tame the speed. Not to say they do not shoot well or they are not worth buying, merely stating what I have felt and seen other people respond to here in the shop. &quot;My Opinion&quot;. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

I have been sitting back here listening to all this for some time, watching Bowtech rise up to become a driving force in the market and gain a huge following. And also watching some of you truly get &quot;bitten by the bug&quot;.(you and Jeff both have it bad, my friend!<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>) I was one of their very first dealers in my area, and have shot many of their bows since their inception. I just recently added the Patriot to the list, as well. To date, the Patriot has the least amount of noticeable recoil to me of all of the Bowtechs, due to the VFT. All of the other models experience some recoil of varying degrees, and yes, some moreso than other bows on the market. I've also shot the Darton, and felt the smoothness in it's draw. The shorter brace heights I don't care for, but that's just me, to each their own.

I think what we see here is that most people cannot discern between recoil and shock, they bunch it all together. Which is fine. The bottom line is that yes, there is some sort of perceived &quot;force&quot; that happens after the shot with SOME of the Bowtechs, and in a higher degree than SOME of the other manufacturers, mostly due to their excess speed. It is simply up to each to decide if the speed is worth the extra recoil. I do believe you are correct in that it is no where near the amount we used to see in the older G-Forces, Flatliners, and whatnot, but it is not as subtle as some bows out there today, either. Everyone has to decide for themselves which bow is best for them, and I still recommend going to your local shop and try a bunch blindfolded WITHOUT knowing which one you are shooting. I think you'll be very surprised after doing so. I hope there is no confusion in my post! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Just my own thoughts, Pinwheel 12

RE: Bowtech not what I was hoping !
 

I will agree with the others, that something must have been wrong with the bowtech. When I tested a few of the 2001 models, there was no doubt about their speed. They were flat out fast. I didn't go with a bowtech because the hand shock was too much for my likes, in comparison with the other bows I was testing. There was a good buzz after each shot. Tolerable but not enjoyable. Then again, the Patriot wasn't around then. My opinion may differ after the next round of testing.

RE: Bowtech not what I was hoping !
 

Matt
I hope there was something wrong with that bow, I shot it at LEN in Maryland's shop right off the rack so he could verify wether it may have been out of time. He did verify 30&quot; AMO and 70lb.'s on the scale. As far as the hand shock , I was floored as well , I have an UltraMax which is a speed bow with a low BH of 6.25 and it is much smoother and with less recoil than the bow I shot. I do agree that there is a chance I grabbed a &quot;bad&quot; one, I am going to go and shoot another one, however I will wait and shoot a 2002 model next. I was interested in buying the 2002 BK2 with the higher BH , but this has left a bad taste in my mouth...I will gargle with some scope and give it another shot before I decide not to get one! I have shot before bows beforw that were just &quot;dud's&quot; due to a bent cam or something else, so it is entirly possible that could have been the case.

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Dublelung,
Wow......I guess there really is a difference in percieved EVERYTHING.

I'll tell you why.......I owned a Mathews Ultra Max 30&quot;/70# for 3 years......and I would have said the exact OPPOSITE as you!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Strip both bows down and shoot side by side and my UltraMax jumped like a .38. Now I know mass weight plays a roll in that...but thats what I got out of it from owning both bows.
I would have said the Pro38 is better on all accounts......and since it was shot at Len's shop I'm only to assume that that thing was in A-1 condition.
Amazing stuff huh?

Pinwheel12,
I was conceding the recoil issue on some models for sure......The BKII,Mighty Mite, and ES have it......I OWN a Pro38 and shoot it everyday, it has SOME recoil granted(like you said speed comes at a price), but it is minimal,I don't feel any SHOCK into my hand when shot, and if there's any vibration I don't feel it other than the string twang (These WC strings really guitar when shot.....is that what you maybe felt Dublelung??)
I know the difference between the &quot;THrust&quot; of recoil, and the smack of shock in your hand.....
ANY bow has some of what was described, but to take it to the extremes of Grenades and vibrating for seconds after the shot is a bit over the top (Except for my old BABY G!!<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>)That's the thing I found odd and the ONLY reason I even responded......everyone of course can think what they want about a model or manufacturer.....Give it hell.
To each his own I guess.

I am taken by the quality of these bows.....but I'll tell you what.....there are about 15 &quot;Other&quot; bows on my short wish list, that ARE NOT Bowtechs!!.....in fact 2 are Merlins.:)(I might be asking for some advice on a Max for indoor by the way!)
Simply put for what I wanted to do with them.....the bows I own now are what I feel are the best for me.
There's that personal opinion thing again!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

It's kinda like when ArcticBowman shot the Cybertec and thought the recoil, vibration etc was HORRIBLE! I think he went so far as to say that they were .......&quot;Crap&quot; <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Oh well......I wish that I could shoot that same bow and see what I thought.....or maybe shoot it right next to mine and compare.
Interesting stuff for sure.

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I guess now that my name has been mentioned, I'd better get in here and explain some things.

The bow was definitely in time. I had just gone through and timed all the bows on the rack according to the factory timing marks. The cable slide issue is something that I will check when I get back to the shop. It could affect the shock somewhat, but there was a lot of it. I find it hard to believe that something like that could be the root cause.

The bow was set at 30&quot; AMO with an arrow that was about 5-8 grains under IBO. We used all my standard equipment and a known standard bow to check the validity of our findings.

Anyone is welcome to stop by to verify the testing and shoot this or any other bow. I think I will disassemble this bow and check to make sure there isn't a cracked limb and put it on the Apple to check for a weak limb. After thinking about it, these are things that could cause this dilemma.

I'll report back to let you know what I find. Like PW12 said, &quot;Bowtech's have more recoil than many bows on the market today&quot;. And, I agree, more power does mean more shock. This one, however, had much more than normal.

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come on guys, he just didn't lik the bow, stop trying to convince him to like it. maybe something was wrong with it maybe there wasn't. who can say, we are not the ones that was there!

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