Problem with buddy's Bowtech Justice
 

My buddy just bought a new Justice a week or two ago and was having problems tuning it. He just could not group with it at all. He asked me to help him get it straightened out for him. He's using a Trophy Taker rest on it and the first thing I noticed upon him shooting a couple arrows through it was major fletch contact. Not just on the prongs of the rest, but on the little arrow holder as well! I took it into my bench and we started going over the initial setup that the bowshop did for him when he bought it. Well, first thing I noticed was the nocking point was set at 1/2" above square. We changed that back to start him off at 1/8" and left him shoot some. Still, same problem. The weird thing I'm noticing is that at full draw, his arrow still looks pointed downward noticeably. I'm kinda lost here. He's shooting cock vane up and still whacking that little arrow holder they give you with the rest.

I have no experience tuning a Bowtech, but can't see where anything would be different. Any thoughts about what direction to go to get him going? His groups got noticeably better once we moved his nock point down, but he isn't going to get anywhere with that clearence issue.

He's shooting 62lbs with a Beman 400 arrow at 28" and 100gr tips so that seems right to me.

Thoughts?

RE: Problem with buddy's Bowtech Justice
 

Muzz,

On single cam bows with some nock travel, the arrow needs more guidance with a drop-away rest. Most people think it's not dropping fast enough which is not the case. Time the rest so it comes to the full up position about 3 to 3.5" before he reaches full draw, and see what happens...this will keep the arrow from "chasing" the launcher and crashing into the arrow holder thing.

RE: Problem with buddy's Bowtech Justice
 

I don't know much about drop-aways but I do know that when he is at full draw the arrow should be lined up with the berger holes.With his nock set at 1/8" from center then he should be pretty close to level.Hope this helped and let us know the outcome.:)

RE: Problem with buddy's Bowtech Justice
 

How is the timing of the TT set? How far into the draw cycle is the arm lifting up to pick up the arrow? It could possibly be that the timing is incorrectly set. The rest may be picking up the arrow too quickly or not quickly enough. Either can cause fletching clearance issues.

For what it is worth, I had a heck of a time tuning my TT Shakey Hunter on the Liberty. I found that I had to actually set the arrow relatively level but above the rest mounting hole (not evenly over) in order to get decent fletching clearance.

Hope this helps.

RE: Problem with buddy's Bowtech Justice
 

Another thing to do with the arrow holder, take some side cuts and cut it down. You only need enough to hold the arrow while drawing. I start nock point 3/16-1/4" high on the singles.

RE: Problem with buddy's Bowtech Justice
 

JeffB, Frank, those are two things I wanted to play around with but we ran out of daylight last night to get anything accomplished. The arrow was initially about evenly centered through his berger (spelling?) hole. The rest is coming up at about the last 1" to 1 1/2" from what I could tell. The other problem is, he already had moleskin on those prongs and we couldn't powder test it. Thats next.

I think we'll get it, just need more daylight after work![:@]

RE: Problem with buddy's Bowtech Justice
 

Good luck to you and your buddy, I had a TT Shakey Hunter on my Liberty and spent countless hours messing with the rest trying to clear up the fletch contact. Everytime I thought that I had it, the problem came back. Finally, I gave up and gave the rest to 5shot, and now I am using a N.A.P. QT 3000 micro and I have no problems at all!

RE: Problem with buddy's Bowtech Justice
 

The only way I could get my TT SH to work properly on my 04 patriot was to have the rest pick up the arrow early on (at least the last 4" of arrow travel).
The hangup with that is the only way to accomplish the extra holding time is to shorten the length of the draw cord, which puts the cables in a bind during the draw cycle.

Initially with less final arrow travel (~2") before the arms came up I could achieve fletching clearance. But when I went to broadhead tune the B/h's were hitting WAY low. With my nock point already at dang near level, lowering it was not an option. But going off a hunch from last years TT fight on my mighty-mite I shortened the draw cord and had the B/h's hitting ~4" higher than fp's. I then lengthened it until I had them close together. This is where the ~4" of arrow travel came in.

Then I said "to heck with all this cable binding" and bought a Drop Zone.
I get fletching clearance with NO excessive bind on the cables and my muzzy phantoms and fieldpoints are together again:D.
Almost too easy!


Oh and if anybody is wondering about my arrow spine- I'm shooting 28" beman ics 340's, 100 grain tips at 65# pull 29" draw. no spine issues here.

RE: Problem with buddy's Bowtech Justice
 

This is my recipie for success. Keep in mind not everything may be significant but this always works for me. I have set up about 20 of these things. Usually if there is fletching contact it can be solved by moving the TT (Trophy Taker) string from the cable slide to the down cable.

First I mount the rest and centershot it and align up-and-down and such. Next I Tie a knot at the end of the TT string and pull the string through the tab on the rest towards the cables so the the knot stops it. Then I put a dab of some fast setting glue on the back of the knot to hold it to the tab. Next I put the bow in the press and put the TT string through the down cable at a position about an inch down from the rest. Then I take the bow out of the press and pull the TT string taunt through the cable. THen I have the customer or myself draw the bow all the way to set the tension on the TT string for the rest. Next I put the bow in a vise and pull about 1/2 cm of the TT string through the cable to make it a little more taunt so the rest is all the way up about 1" to 2" before the shooter is at full draw. Then I serve the TT string securely in the cable and cut off the excess. I usually then mushroom the end of it with a very small flame. After that just put on some thin moleskin on the forks and paper tune it to make sure everything is lined up perfectly. And shoot with the odd feather up.

I hope this helps. Good luck[8D]:)

Mike

RE: Problem with buddy's Bowtech Justice
 

On a parallel limb single cam bow you should always tie into the cable. There is not enough slide travel generally for proper operation with a drop-away.

I tie into the down cable on the hybrids too.

I had my issues with the TT at first , but once I set it for a more "up" time, every problem I had disappeared.

RE: Problem with buddy's Bowtech Justice
 

I could tell you one thing I think 62lbs. and beman 400's at 28in sounds really stiff expecially at that length i would drop down to the 340's I think this will help as far as the rest I haven;t tried a trophy ridge but from the sounds of it I don't think I will!! I shoot a patriot 2003 I use bowtech's rest by golden key and shoot 65lbs. at 29in arrow carbon express CX hunters 300 with string loop shoots awsome!!!

RE: Problem with buddy's Bowtech Justice
 

IMHO his spine is perfect and going to 340's in a beman arrow would be stiffer than his current 400's. All arrow makers don't use the same numeric scaling system.

RE: Problem with buddy's Bowtech Justice
 

Actually Brad he is having problems with a Trophy Taker not a Trophy Ridge.

I had the Trophy Ridge installed on my Justice. Had minor fletch contact on the first few shots, Tech made a minor length adjustment on the rope and it has been working fine ever since. Mine is tied to the small hole on the bottom of the slide.

RE: Problem with buddy's Bowtech Justice
 

I hope to get him pretty close tonight. I personally do not like the trophy taker at all. The more I mess with setting one up, the less I like it. There is such a fine line to getting it just right and for the money the cost, I'll spend it somewhere else.

just my two cents.

RE: Problem with buddy's Bowtech Justice
 

This rest may not be 100% fool proof, but it does preform spectacular if intsalled properly. Once you know how to do everything properly it only takes about twenty minutes to have one on and shooting great. When you guys get it dialed in I think you'll like it;):)