Single Cams vs. Hybrid Single Cams
What is wrong with today's bowhunting consumers?
I know a whole bunch of you readers are die hard ad reading Mathews fans. Heck, I was also one too. I work at an archery pro shop and have spent much of my life there. (I can shoot any bow that I want) Why do so many archers prefer traditional single cam technology? Here is why I think they do. 1. The profit mark-up on Mathews for dealers is about 3 times what a Hoyt is. 2. Mathews spends more on advertising/marketing than any other company. 3. They once came out with an innovative product and consumers get tunnel vision. Anyways, the fact of the matter is traditional single cams do not provide level nock travel. Hybrid Cam & 1/2's do. AS do dual cam bows. This doesn't mean that single cams are not accurate becasue they can be with a good shooter, they are just not as accurate as Hybrid's. I am talking about shooting them off of a machine. A single cam string stretches a lot more than a Hybrid cam's string. I'v seen single cam strings stretch as much as 1 1/2 inches. Thanks Zebra! In my opinion single cams are on their way out and hybrids are in. Let me know what you guys think. I need some traditional single cammers to beat up on! |
RE: Single Cams vs. Hybrid Single Cams
man, are you just trying to start a flame war or what?
i hope you brought your fire extinguisher... [&:] |
RE: Single Cams vs. Hybrid Single Cams
Okay, I'll bite. :D
Why do so many archers prefer traditional single cam technology? Here is why I think they do. 1. The profit mark-up on Mathews for dealers is about 3 times what a Hoyt is. 2. Mathews spends more on advertising/marketing than any other company. 3. They once came out with an innovative product and consumers get tunnel vision. the fact of the matter is traditional single cams do not provide level nock travel. Hybrid Cam & 1/2's do. AS do dual cam bows. This doesn't mean that single cams are not accurate becasue they can be with a good shooter, they are just not as accurate as Hybrid's. I am talking about shooting them off of a machine. A single cam string stretches a lot more than a Hybrid cam's string. I'v seen single cam strings stretch as much as 1 1/2 inches. Thanks Zebra! In my opinion single cams are on their way out and hybrids are in. Let me know what you guys think. I need some traditional single cammers to beat up on! |
RE: Single Cams vs. Hybrid Single Cams
I'm short on time, but I can say after owning a couple dozen singles (actually probably closer to 35 or so), and nearly a dozen hybrids (whether CPS type or C.5 type) and god knows how many duals, I still prefer the single cam overall. Biggest reasons? less recoil/vibe and noise regardless of platform, and they "hold" better for me. They are not perfect, but overall I prefer them.
Second, you are incorrect in your statement about nock travel, several single track idler/ dual feed singles have straight and level nock travel. Mathews SL & HP cams mostly, and PSE's NRG. Whether tested static in a machine or dynamically w/ high speed video (as Straightarrow says, there is conflict about which method is more "accurate"). C.5 type hybrids usually do not show straight and level nock travel. Some CPS type cams will show less than optimum nock travel depending on how they are set. And if you don't shoot a string loop the point is moot. No-one who shoots under the nock is getting straight and level nock travel. Finally, limbs have just as much to do w/ nock travel as anything. I suspect a great number of folks shooting CPS hybrids are not getting perfect nock travel either because of less expensive /poorly matched limbs. What is wrong with today's bowhunting consumers? Might wanna get all your ducks in a row before you start trolling. :eek: |
RE: Single Cams vs. Hybrid Single Cams
Single vs hybrids vs duals... YAWN
Where's an Onieda dealer? [8D] |
RE: Single Cams vs. Hybrid Single Cams
who really cares? They all can shoot great....better than we can.
Anyway this topic has been beat to death. I shoot single cams because I like the way they feel & shoot better than any other cam I have shot. I think thats all that really matters. |
RE: Single Cams vs. Hybrid Single Cams
Hey Jeff B.-
I don't know...you are a prime example though...worried about berating others' choice of equipment instead of shooting your own. Might wanna get all your ducks in a row before you start trolling. Your ignorance blocked your vision to see the fact that I wasn't berating others' choice of equipment, but rather bring to light the inaccuracies of traditional single cams. After all, I think consumers have a right to know the truth about the technology they are buying. Lord knows, the MAthews 30 page ads won't tell them. And I don't even know who the joker is that said that single cams shoot smoother than any other platform out there. (Oh yeah, that was you Jeff!) You mean to tell me that A Mathews Outback shoots with less vibration than a Hoyt XTech with everything else being the same. Let me guess, you are voting for Kerry aren't you? Our democatic friend also says- Finally, limbs have just as much to do w/ nock travel as anything. I suspect a great number of folks shooting CPS hybrids are not getting perfect nock travel either because of less expensive /poorly matched limbs Do you also suspect that single cammers are succeptible to this? Probably not, huh? Until MAthews starts putting pre stretched Stone Mountain strings on their bows, excessive string stretch will continue to be a problem. Remember, they do not give you the premium string. Neither does Hoyt, but then again their string is shorter so it is not prone to stretch as much. Again, without all of the variables that you guys like to throw into the mix, Any string that is released closer to the center of the string itself with symetrical (tuned) cams will produce straighter nock travel. Any respected technical advisor agrees with this statement. It seems to me that there would be more of a load on the lower limb than the upper on a bow that has a cam on the bottom and a wheel on the top. Like JeffB says, if one limb is weaker it would cause uneven nock travel. With the load on the limbs of a single cam not balanced, you get uneven nock travel. *****NEWS FLASH***** Doesn't it also seem unusual that Hoyt shooters have already broken 3 tournament records with the Cam & 1/2? I know you are going to say that it is just the shooter, but look at the ratio of Hoyt to Mathews shooters. Hoyt has proven they are far more efficient at winning tournaments with the Cam &1/2. No one can dispute this. If you feel that this topic has been beat to death, then do not reply! There are a lot of other forums that you can entertain yourself on. |
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1. The profit mark-up on Mathews for dealers is about 3 times what a Hoyt is. 2. Mathews spends more on advertising/marketing than any other company. 3. They once came out with an innovative product and consumers get tunnel vision. the fact of the matter is traditional single cams do not provide level nock travel. Hybrid Cam & 1/2's do. AS do dual cam bows. This doesn't mean that single cams are not accurate becasue they can be with a good shooter, they are just not as accurate as Hybrid's. I am talking about shooting them off of a machine. A single cam string stretches a lot more than a Hybrid cam's string. I'v seen single cam strings stretch as much as 1 1/2 inches. Thanks Zebra! Thanks Winners Choice for eliminating that headache! In my opinion single cams are on their way out and hybrids are in. Let me know what you guys think. I need some traditional single cammers to beat up on! If you feel that this topic has been beat to death, then do not reply! There are a lot of other forums that you can entertain yourself on. Just exactly what is a "traditional single cammer"? |
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And I don't even know who the joker is that said that single cams shoot smoother than any other platform out there. (Oh yeah, that was you Jeff!) You mean to tell me that A Mathews Outback shoots with less vibration than a Hoyt XTech with everything else being the same. Let me guess, you are voting for Kerry aren't you? If you read Jeff's reply again he said. I'm short on time, but I can say after owning a couple dozen singles (actually probably closer to 35 or so), and nearly a dozen hybrids (whether CPS type or C.5 type) and god knows how many duals, I still prefer the single cam overall. Biggest reasons? less recoil/vibe and noise regardless of platform, and they "hold" better for me. They are not perfect, but overall I prefer them. I see no reason for an attack on Jeff when he was is talking about HIS experience with the different bows he has owned. Just remember you are entitled to your opinions as others are entitled to theirs. We dont need members flaming other members. |
RE: Single Cams vs. Hybrid Single Cams
ORIGINAL: X_MAN Hey Jeff B.- Your ignorance blocked your vision to see the fact that I wasn't berating others' choice of equipment, but rather bring to light the inaccuracies of traditional single cams. And I don't even know who the joker is that said that single cams shoot smoother than any other platform out there. (Oh yeah, that was you Jeff!) You mean to tell me that A Mathews Outback shoots with less vibration than a Hoyt XTech with everything else being the same. Let me guess, you are voting for Kerry aren't you? Do you also suspect that single cammers are succeptible to this? Probably not, huh? Until Mathews starts putting pre stretched Stone Mountain strings on their bows, excessive string stretch will continue to be a problem. Remember, they do not give you the premium string. Neither does Hoyt, but then again their string is shorter so it is not prone to stretch as much. Again, without all of the variables that you guys like to throw into the mix, Any string that is released closer to the center of the string itself with symetrical (tuned) cams will produce straighter nock travel. Any respected technical advisor agrees with this statement. Like JeffB says, if one limb is weaker it would cause uneven nock travel. With the load on the limbs of a single cam not balanced, you get uneven nock travel. *****NEWS FLASH***** No one can dispute this. Blah blah blah...assorted talking out one's rear This is the same BS most people cry about with Mathews, but now that Hoyt is having a good year, I guess that doesn't matter :eek: Pot, meet the kettle. And a sincere Thank You for pointing out that it is the bow that wins all the tournaments, and not the shooter. I cannot wait to buy another Hoyt so I can start whipping Hopkins' A$$ without any actual improvement in my own ability:eek: Anybody who really know anything about archery does not attribute cam type to shooting prowess, no more than Tiger Woods is only as good as the clubs he uses. :Yawn: If you feel that this topic has been beat to death, then do not reply! There are a lot of other forums that you can entertain yourself on. For a newbie you sure are making a lousy first impression. Thanks for telling all us regulars here to take a hike so you can piss in our pool :eek: EDIT: BTW, I'm not going to get into a pissing match with someone who doesn't have all his/her facts straight..it's a waste of my time and everyone elses. You should check out ArcheryTalk, there's plenty of other people there who would love to argue with you who don't have their facts straight either....birds of a feather, and all that. |
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