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No Art, not high price tomato stakes... :)

It occured to me last night as I was contemplating the benefits and merit of the old heavy duty built 2 bladers, specifically Duggaboy's Silver Flame broadheads (I couldn't sleep, too much caffeine, wife had "a headache"). You can get this head down to 125 grains, but he 150 and 175 look way cool and are built like tanks. Not much elastic deformation going on with them, for sure.

Anyway, as I was mentally calculating the weight they'd add to my 375 grain finished arrow and the subsequent speed loss, it occured to me. Why not use the Speed Pro arrows to offset the weight?

Looking at their best, stiffest arrow, it weighs in at a whopping 6.2 grains per inch. My current shaft length is 26.5, so apples to apples I'd get 165 grains of shaft. Add 15 for an insert, 15 for a nock and 30 for vanes (or feathers and backweighting to preserve FOC), you get 225 grains. From their:

125 grain head= 350 grains
150 grain head= 375 grains
175 grain head= 400 grains.

Wow. I could use his 150 grain head and shoot the same energy and fps as I do currently.

Course, I have no idea what the advertised specs are of the Speed Pros's, or whether they meet spec or are more susceptible to spine degradation issues. I'd be very leery of switching from my ACCs unless these questions were firmly answered, so:

Anyone have any technical input on these shafts?

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Trad guys have been using super heavy broadheads on carbon arrows for several years now, in order to get the weight up to a manageable level. They've been having good results with it, from all accounts.

Hate to let you know you're not the first to come up with the idea. [&:] But I guess I'll give you credit for being the first to think about doing it with Speed Pro's. :D

I'm not sure a whole lot of folks outside the HCA inner circle has done much testing on the Speed Pro's yet, and they sure as dickens won't give out any 'unflattering' info... assuming there is anything bad to report.

I have my doubts about their durability/longevity due to their light weight but, since I've never even seen one of those shafts yet, I'll not post on my gut feelings. Gotta defer to someone that HAS got experience with 'em.

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Sounds very interesting! Good luck & keep us posted on your results. I woudl be curious what your FOC would end up being with a completed shaft with broadheads. Here is another idea for you, if you find that the head is a bit heavy a arrow wrap (crest) would give you a little better balance from the combo......granted not much but if matched with 5" vanes it could work out very nice and look really cool!

You knwo you really want to try it with those new Kodiak Grizzley shaft or watever they are that are super heavy carbons! Man it would be a slow rig but it should thump anything that gets in it's way! I know.....getting the speed is more fun!

;)

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I think we all need to pool our money together a get Arthurp a batch of those speed pro's for Christmas this year..................we all know he secretly wishes he could have a dozen

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Duggaboy tried these, I'm pretty sure, and found their tolerances, well, lacking :) He sticks to shaft inside a shaft to get heavy.

Arthur, yeah, I thought about just sticking them on my shaft as is, but since I backed the poundage down, I don't wanna dip my fps any lower than it currently is. Trade of in trajectory and performance, you know. Learned that from a wise old fart somewhere :)

Knowing how cheap, er, frugal I am, there is no way I'd pull the trigger until there is an abundance of un-biased experiences to banter about... :)

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PM Vic (500FPS)..he bought some awhile back.

I would think FOC would be whacked (especially at your arrow length) without resorting to some major weighting on the back end...like Bohning 5" high profile vanes and a wrap & unibushing w/ G-nock

GoldTip has FOC calculator on thier website that will give a rough idea...just pop in arrow weight in gpi, & component weights for nock and point end

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Jeff, didn't Vics arrows warp into another dimension the first time he shot them?

Hard to get consistent data on their durability if so :)

I hear ya on the FOC. I assumed it would have to be dealt with, but hadn't thunk things through that far yet. Originally I was hoping the speedpro's would accept a g-nock and unibushing, and hoped the heavier NAP QSs would bring things back in line, but I'm reading the QSs aren't all that durable.

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Yeah..He had 'em cooking at 420 something FPS out of his BK.:D Bohnings are more durable than the QS...but not much..and they are heavier than the QS.

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Go ahead on! I know where to get weight tubes. ;) I don't know if you can find 'em in 32 1/2" length tho...

About FOC, like I said, I know some guys running heavy heads - like 190 gns - on Goldtips at between 18-20% FOC and getting good results. I couldn't swear to what'd happen if you bump up arrow speed another 70-100 fps though.

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Good question about the shaft & how well they hold up. I have yet to actually see one of these shafts at a pro shop in my area......makes you wonder.

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:eek:

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Hey Papa when you guys going to send me some of those shafts to try? :)

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Hey BigPapaScout I thought the forum was about hunting.

No disrespect for the people who died on 911 but Im not sure why the URL entry. Much of the text seems to recommend killing people who you dont like or who you consider have wronged you. Not very christian.

Dont you think that some people in the world feel as though they have been wronged by the US and fight back the only way they know how. Maybe the US Govt. should work out why they are hated by some parts of the world and modify their behaviour and become good neighbours.

The US has dropped bombs on more countries than any other nation on the planet since the start of "peace" after the seond world war. Probably twenty countries or more. Not the actions of a peace loving country maybe more a school boy bully with the biggest stick.

Remember, Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction or links with Al Quaeda. It did not even try and buy nuclear weapons uranium from Africa. This was known before Bushes state of the nation address!! You have to worry about the man as he believes he is on a religous mission. So did David Koresh, Jonestown and a bunch of Nike wearing Cool Aid drinkers.

Note. I am not a muslim, christian or any other religious belief, I do not condone terrorism either. I just cant stand bombing hell out other innocent people because some off our innocent people got killed.

I agree however we should never forget.

Im gunna cop some flak for this.

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Range thouse are some nice heads , dont know how the speed pros will hold up , but you could probably get some acc's to spine out for you , and you know thouse are good shafts , that arnt too heavy .

austas , I guess enriched urainium and mustard gas arn't considered "weapons of mass destruction" . Get your head out of the sand and wake up , before some middeleast guy puts you and the rest of us to sleep permently .

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I thought about biting my tongue on this one but I'll tell you like I tell it to others...

As an American citizen (assuming you are since there's no location in your profile) You have many rights, you have the right to vote, you have the right to be heard, you have the right to disagree, and you also have the right to buy a one way ticket to Iraq or wherever your heart desires if you're not happy in the U.S.A. or with it's policies and leadership.

JMHO...

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Are you using the speedpro's? Not sure why the sad face... :)

I'm genuinely interested in how these shafts are holding up. There are many many reports of carbon arrows of different manufacturers and processes not holding up well over time, with spine degradation and up front spec tolerance issues.

If you have been shooting these for awhile, please tell us what you are finding in regards to their ability (not yours :) ) to hold groups with lots and lots of shooting.

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yes I am using the Speed pro's and they are holding up as good if not better than any thing I have used in the past.

the reason I was rolling my eyes is due to the negative posts I have read about the arrows by folks who have not even tried the arrows yet.

the reason you dont see these shafts in pro shops is because they sell out as fast as they can get them in and are now backordered because HCAcant keep enough in stock to keep the dealers supplied.

that tells me that there is a pretty big demand for the shafts.

of course people like dougaboy will speak negatively about the shafts because he is using 750 grain arrows that takes 30 minuites for his arrows to hit the target 30 yards away.

my set up is speed Pro max cut to 29.5" speed pro speed nocks Blazer vanes and wasp boss bullets traveling out othe newberry b1 at 345.8 to 347FPS off the string and traveling 335 FPS at 20 yards total grain weight of the arrow is 265 and fly like guided missles.
I will let you calculate the KE the arrow is generating at 20 yards

frankly I am weary of answering all the negative posts about these arrows by people who have never tried them.
if you want to try them, great!
if you dont , Great.

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Austas
why do you want to high jack this thread with your political retoric

if you dont like what is in my signature Build a bridge and Get over it![:'(]

Orions bow
when you place an order by Credit card or money order:)

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Bowtech shooter
thanks for the back up Bro!

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I'm a read alot about before I buy and try kind of guy... :)

Unfortunately, with all the people apparently using these arrows, no one has put up any relevant testing info on the shaft quality that I kind find, only how fast they go.

I am truly interested. Do you know of any sources that test to see if the advertised specs are in fact what you get, and how they hold up over time? What are the advertised specs, besides weight per inch, anyway?

Look at the Axis shaft for example. Lot's of hype. Lot's of takers. Lot's of subsequent reports they don't meet spec or hold up well over time.

If the speed pro's can match the consistent durability of the ACCs with matched spine and tolerances, I'd be looking at them hard. However, there are way too many shafts on the market with ton's of smoke and blue sky promoting them, that don't bear out when you lay your money down.

Have you done any extensive spine testing? Noticed any of the shafts suddenly becoming fliers? If not you have you seen anyone post this info anywhere? I'd genuinely like to know, no negativity at all...

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Bigpapa,

You don't have to answer the posts. Just because someone doesn't like them or doesn't want to try them doesn't mean it's a personal attack against you. I have never tried whittling my own arrows either but I can tell you that I have no interest in doing so. Just like I have no interest in shooting and arrow that weighs 265 grains. It doesn't make any difference who made the arrow, I wouldn't shoot anything that light especially not for hunting. That's just my personal prefrence. I think it's a bad decision for people to shoot arrows that light. I like light arrows but to me thats way to light. When people are making negative comments I believe they are centered more around the concept of shooting such light arrows than about the arrows themselves. You mentioned that you were shooting a 265 gr. arrow at 335 fps, by my figures that comes out to around 66 foot pounds of KE. I am shooting a 444 gr. arrow at 287 fps and if you do the calculations on that, I believe that you will find that you arrow would only arrive at a target that is 20 yards away, only fractions of a second before mine would. However, mine would be arriving with 81 foot pounds of KE. That is roughly 19% more energy delivered to the arrow and through the animal. I am not trying to change your mind or bash the arrows but rather to explaing why some, myself included, "bash" the idea of shooting such light arrows and are therefore uninterested in shooting any arrow that is that light. JMO

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Add one part speed pro arrow with one part heavy broadhead. What you have is a recipe for a explosion in your hand.

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Why?

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It is..his link goes to an outside website, so why did you bring it up here?:eek:

I don't know where you are from, but if you were anywhere near NYC like I was during this period of time...you'd never even have mentioned that..Kinda hits a sore spot with me when nearly 400 people who worked for the same company as I did (at the time) lost their lives. I suspect you didn't have to deal with the mass hysteria, trauma, and sheer terror of watching on TV or hearing about your loves ones, family and/or friends on a radio as they were dying that day.

Damn straight....YOU brought it up...and you shouldn't have... Like Pat said, you can agree or disagree all you want ..but you really should have kept your mouth shut about it here...unless your are intentionally trolling for flames.

Remind me to put you on my ignore list.

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And sorry 'bout the thread hijack BPS & RB...This is a very sore subject with me.

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papa do I get any kind of discount?
LOL - I'm not too used to paying for stuff anymore!


:-)

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sorry old friend but I have to buy them too[:o]

OK Guys
Here is what I can tell you about what I have found as far as how durable the shafts are.
my range is 20 yards and during setting up my bow I have sometimes missed the target and have drove the speed pros yhru a 1" thick piece of ply wood and cringing at the thought what I may find aftre pulling the arrows back out of the ply wood dead stop wall to my suprise I have had no dammage to any shafts that have been driven into ply 1" thick ply wood
however during doing some broad head and penetration testing of the shafts I was using a dense piece of plastic foam target material at the ply wood box I use to set my butts up on. what happened, as the arrow impacted the target it moved back and caused the arrow to slam hard into the ply wood box which broke the arrow in half. the arrow did not splinter but had a clean break at the point of where it slammed into the ply wood box I did the same thing with a ACC and a Gold tip 75 95 the acc was ruined as was the GT but the difference is that the gt splintered and the acc was still in one piece but the carbon around the aluminum core was also splintered.
if you shoot a bad shot and ricochet the arrow off the side of a tree the arrow will be ruined just as any other carbon or aluminum arrow will be

to make a rebuttal about using heavy grain heads on the speed pros being dangerous is just another un educated opinion because the speed pro max shafts have a stiffer spine deflect than a GT 55-75
and the ss shafts have a little stiffer spine than the 75-95 shafts,
I have used 100 grain Points on the speed pro premiums and they do fly very well kind of defeats the purpose of using a light weight arrow to begin with;).

the total grain weight from arrow to arrow is very consistant in fact the only thing I have found more consistant is aluminums and ACC arrows.
You will not find a more consistant shaft than aluminums or acc in streightness or weight but we all know that they dont stay strait for very long
and put an aluminum or a acc thru a piece of 1" ply wood and see what happens, you will either be cutting them down for your kids to shoot or using them for expensive tomato stakes.

I know Speed pro shafts are not for every one in fact I do not even recommend people using them unless you shoot 60 pounds or less because most bow manufacturers only warrants 5 grain per pound and some suggest at least 6 GPP. however if you shoot a newberry B1, LB1, SB1 or one of the High Country TSS,TSSR, Perf-X carbon or aluminum Max-Xtreme Carbon or aluminum, PL28 Mag or any of the other carbon riser bows I highly Recommend using the speed Pros because they are one of the elements which makes up the total shooting system.

I am very anal about achieving perfect arrow flight and If these arrows did not preform to my expectations I certanly would not be using them
nor would I endorce them if I felt that they were inferior or dangerous to the user.

The speed pro shafts are just one model shaft that are offered by Carbon Revolution.
there is also the Econo hunters , Xtreme Impact, Laser pro, trophy hunter
ultra hunter and premier selects.
all of the above shafts are avalable in 100 35-55 6.9GPI, 200 45-65 7.9 GPI, 30055-75 8.9 GPI, and 400 75-95 9.9 GPI
and the econos being +/+ 007 and the premiers being .001