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Ratus-

Yep, I should've figured it might cause a slam-fest if I spoke out. I went back and re-read my post and have since decided to remove 90% of it because it (much like the testing IMHO) was not done in good taste and realistically does no one any good. Therefore I would appreciate if you would remove any and all of my quotes as well. Let people believe what they want.

FYI--

Merlin uses 20 strands of 8125, not 18 as others do---there's 10 fps.
Merlin currently has more than 17 dealers in the USA and growing, plus shooters are winning regularly with them--- Rome wasn't built overnight either.[8D]

Laminated limbskins are comparable to one set of limbsavers as far as dampening goes..

Yes, staff/loyal followers try to "railroad" other manufacturers and their products every day. This is one h*llova dog-eat-dog industry-- Wake up.

Good shooting, Pinwheel 12

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Pinwheel.......I am sincerley not trying to argue......but have a question about the speed !!

I realize that the Max Extreme has a higher brace height and more strands........the speed difference in the pack is a non issue to me !!

But a bow with your new limb technology, extra strands in the string, and a higher brace height............shouldn't it be quieter in theory......than the faster models it was compared to ???

I was suprised at where they placed the Max in the noise category , draw cycle, and kick vibration (whatever it was called) !!

I know you can't believe everything you read........but I have shot a Liberty and own an Outback and know they have similar characteristics ! I have also shot the KO32 and feel it compared to the above about how they had it pegged..........so right now......as far as I can tell based on my experience.......it's probably a fairly accurate test of what could be expected with those bows !!

Right ,Wrong ????

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Sorry, I don't know how to edit this stuff out like that.


I'm pretty sure Bowtech uses 20 strands of ts1 too so that would gain them 20 fps. if they dropped a couple strands?

If they have more than 17 US dealers they should add all of their dealers to their web site then. It's to the dealers and Merlins benifit.




If I'm not mistaken Merlins been in business since the mid 70's, which is twice as long as Matthews and 3 times that of Bowtech but I'm pretty sure Hoyts been around that long at least.


So what does Merlin gain by spending what I would believe to be more money than just putting some good ole limb savers on their bows.



How so? Bow companies probably all gave bows to this test and if Merlin didn't want the results to be posted they shouldn't have donated theirs.

The results are in, some agree, some disagree...

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What does it really matter who won? If that test was done with a different group of people the results may not even be close to being the same. This type of test you have to take with a grain of salt.

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I think this test was very relevant!! The first time I read about doing some blank bale shooting with your eyes closed, I had to try it. This was supposed to get you familar with the feel of what the shot should actually feel like with a suprise release. I went out and tried it soon after reading about it[:@] At the time, I had a Darton Maverick which I knew had a little jump and noise but the first shot with my eyes closed and concentrating on getting a suprise release by squeezing the trigger and not worrying where the shot hit,,,,, resulted in the bow flying out of my hand[:@]:eek: I didn't know THAT would happen!!! Good thing I was outside where the bow could bounce easily on the soft ground[:@] Simple as this,,, try it with your bow and make sure your bow has a soft landing if you don';t use a bow sling;)

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One thind that I remember going back that left an impression on me was an example of shootability. I met someone used to work @ Galyan's. He shot a Carrera, but wouldn't hunt with it, after his experience with the thunderbolt. As part of training his staff he would set a bow and adjust the drawlength to each shooter, now these were folks that had never shot a bow before. By the time he'd have them sighted in they were hitting the bull. Some 20 different folks he put through this deal and the bow was just plain shootable. That bow is nothing fancy, but if you ever get a chance draw back on that and go to anchor. That bow just plain holds and with the moderate ata and brace it is extremely forgiving. That bow doesn't have the features of todays bows, but I'll bet that just about everone here can shoot that bow as well or better than the bow they're shooting now. So while I do like the way that these tests were conducted and I think what they measured are important features, especially to hunters. This issue that we talk about when we say pick what feels best to you, I think more than anything speaks to how stable the bow feels to us when we draw and is what translates to the shootability of the bow. It's just that I don't see shootability of the bow addressed by any measure. And that seems to me to be the most important thing of all.

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I have shot both the Liberty and the Max Extreme. For me, the only way to shoot the Max was to buy it, so I did. I do like the way it shoots and holds. I would say the noise level was louder than I expected, but I need to try a few different rests. Louder being a relative term, it is still a quiet bow. The shock, kick, and/or vibration, whatever you want to call it, with only a simple 7" doinker hunter (old style) is nil. There is nothing.

I did not feel there was the huge discrepency between these two bows as showed up in this test, and I do think the bias towards speed exaggerated any differences. You don't buy an 8" brace height bow for speed. And no claims are made that the Omegas are a screamer set of cams. But they are shootable and comfortable to draw.

JMAC

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I'm fairly new around here, but I'm gonna throw this out here.:eek:

I don't think the test is worth the time it took for someone to do it.

We all have different ideas of whats shootable, forgiving, and accurate.

Here's my story, and I'm stickin' to it :D

I got into shooting comopunds just around 5 years ago. I went to a highly recommended shop in my area to look at bows. I wanted a Hoyt Havoc. I figured with all of the research I did on the net, that It seemed to offer what I was looking for. I show up at the shop, and talked to the guy working there. I told him what I was looking for, and he said he would order it. While he was measuring my drawlenght, and looking up the info he needed to order my bow, I picked up a Hoyt Viper 2 that was left over from the previous year. Now, keep in mind....I'd never shot a compound before, and I just started looking at a bow with a sub 6" brace height, that at a 27" draw was firing a 440 grn 2213 at 265 fps.

I ended up buying that Viper 2, and took my first deer bowhunting that fall. :)

Here's my point.....that bow was never considered to be a extremely forgiving bow to shoot. I was able to shoot lights out with it, and would still own it, but I've since switched to lefthanded. In fact, I wish I could find a bow with the same type of specs, because I honestly beleive that I found a bow that fits my body, form , and personality. We all like to be different. What works for me, won't work for someone else.

These tests may be subjective, but really aren't giving you anymore information than someone else's opinion.

By the way, I've seen some of the Merlin products. Don't by into what conclusions were drawn by an "Independant" source.

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Welcome PSU! And you are correct, these bows just feel different for every person. Guess that is what makes these boards so much fun. [8D]

JMAC

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Yes :D

I won't get into all the BS, but I can say my "new" 80 pound Liberty has less recoil, vibe, and noise than any of my 70 pound bows from other manufacturers..whether it's a single, dual or hybrid. Very impresssive.

That is all

Roger

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