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Flecthing Contact w/ My New Shakey Hunter
Okay, so I joined the drop away crowd for two reasons: 1) The ability to shoot helical vanes/feathers and 2) Noise reduction. I noticed last week while shooting some straight feathers that I seemed to have a little contact on the left-hand (I'm a right-handed shooter) feather (shooting cock feather up). I figured it wouldn't matter when I shot my arrows with vanes, since they're smaller than my feathers. Wrong! Now, it seems I'm getting all kinds of vane/feather contact on both "down" vanes/feathers (again, shooting cock feather up). Ideas/suggestions? I think I might just take it to the shop and let them fix my problem. The Shakey Hunter was installed by Bass Pro, so that could be my problem...
Also, I originally tried a MZE on this bow and the guy at the pro shop said my cable slide doesn't move enough for the MZE to work. So, if the MZE doesn't work and we can't get the Shakey Hunter to tune correctly, what drop away? A Drop Zone? Does anyone out there shoot an AR34 with a drop away? |
RE: Flecthing Contact w/ My New Shakey Hunter
Where do you have the string attached? I have Trophy Takers on 2 bows and when the Shakey was set up the guy who set it up used the slide, no good, I changed it to the down cable and it works great, these rests do take some time to get set up just right as far as timing goes but once set up IMO they are awesome.
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RE: Flecthing Contact w/ My New Shakey Hunter
The guy at Bass Pro served it into the down cable...
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RE: Flecthing Contact w/ My New Shakey Hunter
Sounds to me like the launcher is not dropping fast enough. I had to play with my shakey hunter quite a bit until I got it right but now it is great and I love it. Trophy Taker reccomends you have the launcher fully up the last 2" of the draw but I've heard some people had to have it up longer and in my case I have to have it up shorter than 2". You will probably have to play with the length of the cord to get this right. Another thing to watch out for is your feathers or vanes slamming into the launcher farther back on the launcher, I've found that you need a higher nock point, in some cases as much as 1/4". You might want to try shortening the cord first then messing with your nock point.
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RE: Flecthing Contact w/ My New Shakey Hunter
I havve the shakey hunter on a botech patriot and had to go to a higher nocc point. and lower the rest arm. I also cannot shoot my cock vane upor down, I have to have it turned to side.
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RE: Flecthing Contact w/ My New Shakey Hunter
I havve the shakey hunter on a botech patriot and had to go to a higher nocc point. and lower the rest arm. Many times to get a drop away to work with many one cam bows takes much fiddling with pull up timing. Just raising the nock for fletching clearance is the worst thing to do IMO as the bow is now out of tune. I have played with my drop zone on my 03 Patriot for a good bit this weekend - I am getting close. I can get the fletching to clear with a cock vane up (Thanks to an Alpine roller slide that pulled the cable in). but when I group tuned some broadheads it showed a real nock high tune[:'(]. I am still playing:) Jeff - I have a QUAD - that is next;) |
RE: Flecthing Contact w/ My New Shakey Hunter
good sugestions so far , one more is , set it on the firmer spring tension [ they have 2 settings for spring tention and are shiped with the lite setting ]
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never tried that, how do you change it?
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RE: Flecthing Contact w/ My New Shakey Hunter
can be 2 things
the lift cord is set to come up too soon or the nocking point is too low causing the arrow to bottom out on the rest if the nocking point is too low can be identified by a nock low tear on paper. the rest needs to come up only one inch from full draw. |
RE: Flecthing Contact w/ My New Shakey Hunter
To adjust spring tention , remove the nut , and insert the spring end in the whole furthests clockwise and reasemble .
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Thanks I'll give it a try.
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RE: Flecthing Contact w/ My New Shakey Hunter
Here's some great advice from Jerrod at Trophy Taker (taken from an AT thread)
In my experience, hybrid or cam.5's tend to behave more like a single cam when tuning than a dual cam. Therefore, most of the single cam/fall-away "rules" apply. In the vast majority of cases, the rest is actually falling too quickly if you are getting fletch contact on the rest. In short, bows need differing amounts of "launch time" to get an arrow started correctly. Some bows need very little time and others need a lot. Unfortunately, this varies even among bows of the same name, poundage, draw length, etc. Perhaps the best way to reason this out is because a bow is a dynamic piece of equipment with flexible limbs, fast moving parts and perhaps as important as all of that, strings that can vary considerably in overall length, elasticity and even in terms of installation (how many twists, ratio of twists in buss cable, to string, to control cable etc.) Therefore, rather than make generalizations here, I will say that I prefer to let the bow tell me what it wants. It is tempting to think that contact automatically means the rest is not getting out of the way soon enough. However, slow motion video will usually show that as the rest is falling, the nock end of the arrow is being thrust downward and the entire arrow is actually "chasing" the launcher down and striking it near the shelf (or in some cases on the shelf) of the bow. To remedy most of the time, we shorten the attachment cord, making the rest stay up longer and forcing the arrow to be launched through the center of the rest mounting hole. We can also raise the nock point on the string to compensate for the downward thrust. Keep in mind that many bows (even those that claim to not have any issues) can be subject to nock travel (both left and right and up or down). It doesn't make them "bad bows" it's just something that once we know what may be going on, we can address it while tuning. With that being said, in very rare cases, spring tension may need to be increased (usually only in short draw length/low brace height bows). Each Trophy Taker rest does have pre-drilled holes inside the launcher housing to address this if needed. However, launcher removal and installation is not a super easy process and should not be started without specific instruction from Trophy Taker on how to go about it. I can e-mail instructions if needed. Hope this helps and that you didn't fall asleep reading it. Let me know if I can be of further assistance. I can always be reached at: 406-826-0600 or [email protected]. Good Luck! T Taker Tech |
RE: Flecthing Contact w/ My New Shakey Hunter
The problems of the Fletching clearance was one of multiple problems I had along with the arrow being driven down into the launch arm. I found this due to the fact that my fleece was being pulled from the launch arm, I was also getting nock low tears when paper tuning.
after talking with the proshop the pro informed me that patriots with drop away's need a nock high setup, he believed due to the powerstroke of the bow. So he had me raise the rest That diidn't help then he had me raise my nock point. this had me shooting bullet holes with all the problems corrected. |
RE: Flecthing Contact w/ My New Shakey Hunter
Thanks to everyone for their thoughts and suggestions. I also received a reply from my email to Trophy Taker. I've been impressed by their customer service. I'm a little uncomfortable moving the rest and nocking point around by myself, so I took it to a local archery shop. I'm hoping they do a good job. If they do, I'll be back in business. If not, I'll be moving the rest up along with my nocking point and hoping I don't screw something up...
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RE: Flecthing Contact w/ My New Shakey Hunter
Just an update...
The pro shop I used re-installed the rest and said they had it shooting bullet holes. I took it home and still was getting fletching contact. Took it back with my arrows and proved it to him. We fiddled with the place the cord was served into the cable and got clearance. We fiddled with the nocking point and rest height until we got semi-decent holes (but still nock high). I took it home and got it paper tuned so that it is indeed shooting bullet holes. It is now shooting great. And I love the rest. And I'll be driving over an hour to use a new pro shop where I know they do a good job... Thanks again to everyone who helped. Another kudos to TT for their customer service. |
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