"Hybrid cams"= "winds of change blowing"
#52
but the cam 1/2 system uses 1 cable and 1 string, right?
#53
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Typical Buck
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I am not familiar enough with the Hoyt bows and take your word for it.
The Darton system, however uses only one cable, as I am looking at it right now in their 2004 catalog.
The Darton system, however uses only one cable, as I am looking at it right now in their 2004 catalog.
#54
Straight from dartons tuning instructions , Bowstring , Power cabel , Control cabel . Not trying to be confrotational , just trying to relay info that is as close to fact as my biased opinions can be .
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Typical Buck
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ijimmy, is it possible what they are calling a power cable is really just 1/2 of their string? I just keep looking at the picture trying to figure it out. The reason I ask is because it only shows one yoke.
And BTW, which way are you biased?
And BTW, which way are you biased?
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From: Southeast PA
I probably will just wind up confusing someone, but here is MY perspective on the Hoyt vs. Darton systems - Hoyt's Cam & 1/2 is a hybrid dual cam and the Darton/Merlin system is a hybrid single cam. Both are cabled the EXACT same way. However, the cable track on the "idler" of the Hoyt is cam shaped, where as the same track on the Darton/Merlin cam is round. The string track on both systems matches the shape of the lower cam. IMHO, the ATA should classify hybrids into two categories, the hybrid-dual and the hybrid-single. That could end some confusion and perhaps provide a little 'incentive' for the two camps to outdo the other in terms of cam performance.
#58
Good anology Olink , the two systems are vastly diferant . Mlauber , the pictures dont do it justice , you got to hold one in your hands , and see where the cabels are tyed off on the cams .
#59
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mlaubner,
I believe you are only seeing one yoke because the control cable slaves the rotation of the bottom cam to the top cam, not to the limb. I will wait for an expert to step in here, but I believe this to be the case. I believe the power cable is the more traditional one, which is tied to the opposite limb. Again, expert insert correction here.
JMAC
I believe you are only seeing one yoke because the control cable slaves the rotation of the bottom cam to the top cam, not to the limb. I will wait for an expert to step in here, but I believe this to be the case. I believe the power cable is the more traditional one, which is tied to the opposite limb. Again, expert insert correction here.
JMAC
#60
I expected that my statement would draw a response.
TFOX, yes I know what creep tuning is, though I don't bother. So it's a tuning option when two cams are present, not the cams themselves that are more forgiving. IMO, creeping is more prevalent with two cams than one due to a less definable (solid) wall. Some people shoot dual cam bows "out of the valley" for this very reason.
TFOX:
Why not in all hands?
TFOX:
A tuning option.
TFOX:
I feel this is more product of width of the valley, and percentage of let off. A narrow valley, with low let off, will have less transition when shot. Another tuning option on some cams, by design on others.
ijimmy:
I assume you meant "perceived" to be better.... You kinda lost me here. Do you mean to say you actually got tighter groups, shooting darts? Or it "appears" you got tighter groups, shooting darts?
A person needs decent, repeatable form to get consistent shot placement. This may be better achieved by some cams when a bow goes out of tune but, continuing to shoot an out of tune bow is not something smart archers do. BTW, I heard Mathews is coming out with an innovative variation of the hybrid cam. It's called the "inbred cam".
TFOX, yes I know what creep tuning is, though I don't bother. So it's a tuning option when two cams are present, not the cams themselves that are more forgiving. IMO, creeping is more prevalent with two cams than one due to a less definable (solid) wall. Some people shoot dual cam bows "out of the valley" for this very reason.
TFOX:
A hybrid will, in most hands provide better balance
TFOX:
Yes,you can achieve balance with other cams
TFOX:
I also feel that a smoother transition into the valley will provide a more forgiving shot because the transition out of the valley isn't as harsh.
ijimmy:
All the hybreds I have shot with an eliptical top excentric " not hoyt" have been easy to tune and given me what I precive to be better arrow flight , broadhead tuneing ,
A person needs decent, repeatable form to get consistent shot placement. This may be better achieved by some cams when a bow goes out of tune but, continuing to shoot an out of tune bow is not something smart archers do. BTW, I heard Mathews is coming out with an innovative variation of the hybrid cam. It's called the "inbred cam".




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