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I HAVE SHOT ACC 3-60 FOR THE LAST 6 YEARS, AND I LOVE THEM. I AM LOOKING FOR A CHEAPER ALL CARBON ARROW FOR TARGET AND 3D. WHAT ARE YOUR SUGGESTIONS?? OR SHOULD I JUST BITE THE BULLET AND BUY A DOZEN ACC??? THANKS FOR YOU INFO.

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I've been real happy with the SME Epsilons. Smooth finish, quiet. .003" straightness over 28". I weighed 6 of mine out of curiousity and they were 411, 411, 413, 414, 413 with 100 gr tips 30.5" long. These are the mediums. They're $59.95 a doz from mntnarchery.com. I just bought another doz at the shop I go to. They were on sale for $69.95.

Phil.

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If you want Eastons, get Redline 360s. They are light weight, about $70, and good quality.

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try Goldtip XT's

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Can't go wrong sticking with the ACC's,I've used them for years.IMHO a great 3D arrow.
The fiancee' shoots Redlines and they are extremely tough as well and slightly faster than the ACC's.

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CMHUNTER,

I was in the same boat as you a couple of years ago.I had shot ACC 3-49s for several seasons and began searching for a non-bendable alternative.The shafting that won out was the Carbon Express 3D Select.

These babies are even straighter at .001 as compared to .003 and their weight tolerance is as exact as you will find anywhere at +/- 1 grain per dozen.Their press fit Slimline nocks are very similar to ACC G-nocks and weigh only 8 grains plus you eliminate the Uni-bushing.The inside of the shaft is the diameter of an ACC 3-60 so all your componets can be used.These are the arrows you need to take a good look at.

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I'm with IL-Cornfed, I have been using Carbon Express 300's for both 3D and hunting and like them better than ACC's. I am sure the Carbon Express 3D Select is even better yet.

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www.carbon-tech.com , www.thegametracker.com , www.goldtip.com . Good luck.
Dylan

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The best arrow that I have shot is the Gold Tip 22 series. Same diameter as a 2216. I was shooting 55/75 gold tips and ics 400. The 22 series shot a couple of feet per second faster. It has also been alot easier to tune broadheads for me. The fatter shaft allows you to get better vane clearance. People who shoot them in my club, want them. All this and the fatter shaft cuts a few more lines in our shoots. I've been hunting and target shooting with them for almost 2 years and love them

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I would have to agree on the gold tip arrows I got my first dozen of the hunter shafts and they ended up being straighter than there Spec's.

My next ones will be the 3D Pro 5575

Straightness............ +/-0.001 inches
Weight Tol............... +/-1 grain
Inside Diameter........ 0.246 inches
Length..................... 32-inches
Weight.................... 8.2 grains/inch
Outside Diameter..... 0.295 inches
Spine...................... 0.400 inches

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I love my ACC's, I would just stick with them!

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Have a look at www.blackhawkarchery.com. Good reviews recently (I forget the magazine).

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Unless slightly better durability is your utmost goal, then really you are taking a step down by going to IC type carbons. While some yield impressive weight and straightness tolerances, they still cannot match the spine consistency of ACC's. When used as 3D arrows a unibushing in the back of IC types will help w/ nock end cracks that are so prevalent in the design. By the time you add in the price of a uni-bushing and Gnocks for a dozen Goldtip 3D Pro's or Carbon Express 3D Selects, you are in the same ballpark monetarily as the ACC for only a slight improvement in durability.

This does not mean that the high-end IC carbon arrows are bad, or not accurate..far from it....just less consistent from arrow to arrow and dozen to dozen which at times will give a mystery flyer or arrrow that won't group.

ACC's on the other hand often check in at better straightness than stated, impeccable weight tolerance (and ability to weight match dozen to dozen by letter code.. IC dozens can vary up to 20 grains average from dozen to dozen that I've tested), and the aforementioned extremely tight spine tolerance which makes for the most forgiving setup and arrow flight when tuning and/or shooting form are compromised(for whatever reason).

The Blackhawk brand sounds promising but I've tried to contact them several times in the last 4 months and have yet to hear any response or see a catalog in the mail. If you really wnat to try some the Advantage Timber Cabelas camo carbons, and the Cabelas A/C type shafts are made by Blackhawk.

Goldtip 3D Pro's and CX 3D selects are my suggestions if you wish to try them. If Beman could hold their straightness tolerances around .006 TIR or less in the ICS shafts, I would have no hesitation to shoot them as my main arrow shafts..they are consistent in weight, and have the most consistent spine of the IC types I've tested and shot..if you can lop off the bad ends they are scary accurate.

I suggest you do a thread search for "Carbons" from last summer or spring for more info.

JeffB :)

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Jeff, for the price I pay for ACE here in canada , with out components, not to mention the weave of companies like gametracker, CT McKinneys seems much tougher to me then the straight laminate of ACE, of course knowing from experiences of shooting ACE. I think I will go for an arrow that is roughly $40-50 cheaper and will most likely last longer, and not bend, probably not snap as fast either. The Mckinneys are ever straighter then the ACE and the same straightness as X10 same weight and better spine coverage with the MAC system. They and other carbon companies have had great reveiws. I like easton, but they charge way to much. Especially for a student aspiring for the olympics like me.
Good shooting.
Dylan

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check ou tof some of the new easton carbon arrows that are coming out this year.....they may justbe what you are looking for. I still say stick to the ACC's!

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Jeff, for the price I pay for ACE here in canada , with out components, not to mention the weave of companies like gametracker, CT McKinneys seems much tougher to me then the straight laminate of ACE, of course knowing from experiences of shooting ACE. I think I will go for an arrow that is roughly $40-50 cheaper and will most likely last longer, and not bend, probably not snap as fast either. The Mckinneys are ever straighter then the ACE and the same straightness as X10 same weight and better spine coverage with the MAC system. They and other carbon companies have had great reveiws. I like easton, but they charge way to much. Especially for a student aspiring for the olympics like me.
Good shooting.
Dylan

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55,

ACE shafts and McKinney's are 2 very different things than ACC and IC type carbons.

ACE barrelled shafts are very low poundage target only type material. ACC's are heavier and made for 3D's and hunting applications as well as indoor and outdoor targets. Comparing the two is like comparing a F150 and a Yugo.

The shafts from CT are a pultruded arrow which is an entirely different animal as well..Pultruded arrows in general are a tougher arrow than ANY other carbon shaft, whether it's A/C construction or Internal component wrapped shafts.

Good luck in your quest!

JeffB :)

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Hi, I just went back to carbon arrows I was using allumiun. I shopped around I decided to go to the carbon extremes 5080's they are durable I have seen them shot into a concrete wall just changed the tip. They are also weight forward so less brodhead tuning. The arrows have no choice to fly streight. Carl Ellik