Shot the new Bowtechs yesterday......an observation.
 

Well I shot the MM VFT, Liberty, Extreme VFT, and the Pat Dually. My observation is how little difference there was in the bows........Trust me that is not a criticism. I loved how they shot. But I could tell very little difference between shooting the Liberty and the MM or Extreme. Cam roll-over was a little smoother with the Liberty and it also had slightly less recoil but the difference had very little affect on shootability. My favorite of them all was the Pat dually....very smooth drawing and SMOKING fast. Pretty quiet for a dually also. The thought of shooting a 525 gr. arrow in the 260-270 fps range is VERY intriguing!

Right now I'm having a serious dilemna......I LOVE my MQ1......but the Extreme VFT and Pat Dually have me drooling (neither was as quiet as my MQ1 but both could come close with some tweaking BUT THEY ARE WAY FASTER!!!!)!! On top of that, the Bowtech support on this sight is very valuable to me and my decision (as it should anyone considering a new bow). PLUS after the BS Mathews has been pulling, I'm not a big fan of theirs..........BUT I LOVE MY MQ1!!!!!! What to do?? What to do????

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Have the best of both worlds, keep your MQ1 and buy a new Bowtech.:D

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cg, give in to temptation. Get the Patriot Dually, you won't be sorry. I guarantee it.:);)

hdsanders, we were typing at the same time. Very good idea.;)

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I agree. Buy the new bow and keep your MQ1. It is always nice to have a backup....plus, if you change your mind somewhere down the road then you can still one and have the other to use.

Interesting observation too. The more I think of it the more I think you are right in commenting on how they all feel the same....surprised you picked the Pat dually though...:)

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I agree !! I gave my MQ-1 to my father ......but wish I'd have just bought him a bow .....and kept my MQ-1 !!

I love getting new stuff .......but would like to have my MQ-1 more accessable !
At least it's not gone !! [:o]:D

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CBM SC,

I'll be at Scott Dault's archery shop from about 10:00 to 12:00 on Saturday morning if you would like to shoot some Bowtech's. It is off Exit 108 on I-95

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I still haven't had a chance to shoot the 04 Pat Dually. When I called they didn't have them. Then the weather got so bad it made travel nearly impossible.[:'(] We are getting blasted again today so I couldn't get out if I had to. [:o]

I did shoot the 03 Pat Dually last year and was intrigued by the bow. Unfortunately I didn't get to Chrono it with my 500 grain arrow to compare actual speeds with my 03 Hoyt Ultratec.

A couple of questions come to mind.

CG I know you are an avid (and quite successful I might add [:-]) elk hunter so I can see where the extra speed hence KE would be very appealing. I don't know your draw length or the poundage that you shoot so I was wondering if one actually would fall into that 260-270 fps with a 525 grain arrow with a normal hunting setup i.e. peep, loop and/or nock, and string silencers?

I would be interested in hearing from some Pat Dually owners with actual numbers and the specs of their setups.

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Antler Eater,

I dug this up from my review of the Pat DC last year.....

That was with a full setup on the string if I remember correctly....peep sight, brass nockset and rubber eliminator button.

Throw another 100 grains on there and you are talking about speeds in the 274-276 fps range.

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Much appreciated PABowhntr. Thank you. [:-]

So if we drop the draw length down an inch would it be fair to say we would be in the 264-266 range?

Any 28-29" draw length Pat Dually shooters out there with actual speed numbers for a 500 grain arrow?

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Thanks 500 fps !! Just bought a Mathews but still wouldn't mind shooting the Bowtechs and meeting some new folks........if I can work it out I'll come by !!

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Antler Eater,
Thanks for the compliment....although I attribute a lot of my elk hunting success to one thing........LUCK!!

The Pat. dually could do it I think......We shot a 2317 weighing 555 gr. (I didn't weigh it but that is what they told me) @ 263 w/ a 30" draw. So I'm thinking if you subtract an 1" of draw length and subtract about 30-40 gr. of arrow weight, it should get you (me) in about the same fps range. I'm actually a 29 1/2" DL so I sure I could get 270 FPS out of it. Remember that is all with a 7 3/4" brace height!!!!

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BTW-that was at 71.5 lbs.......according to the birth certificate.....;)

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CG,
Just another number for you.....
my 2003 Patriot Dually at 30"/71# shot a 475gr arrow at 289fps
My brace measured out at 7 7/8" and that was with a loop and Tru-peep.

Another number for you........at the ATA show I was shooting a 2004 model 30"/70# Patriot Dually with a 350gr arrow it was doing 332fps. That was with Eliminator buttons (3), brass nock set and Hush Kit silencers! Everything weighed and measured.

There simply is no other bow in the world that can combine that raw power with that brace height and forgiving design.
Obviously all that power is not necessary to shoot thru a whitetail, but for the guy who wants to shoot large diameter mechs at them, or someone hunting large game where penetration is never enough?[8D]

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CG you know what they tell us luck is...Preparation meeting opportunity!!

I have thought of you for the last two years as I am driving through your hunting grounds in route to a spot that I go to in Colorado where I have drew a blank for the last couple of years. Call it what you want but I would rather be lucky than good any day. :D

The Pat Dually has to be appealing to any guy that hunts elk with a bow that can realistically live with its stout draw force curve. Generous brace, maneuverability, and accuracy wrapped up in a package that delivers KE to spare. It is hard not to like that.

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Bowtech makes a great bow & you won't go wrong with it. I would go middle ground & get a bowtech & keep the MQ1

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Man, how many guys said it? That's exactly what I'm thinking of doing... getting a Bowtech and keeping the MQ-1. I just can't see myself letting go of that sweetheart of a bow...

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Nobody told you to get rid of your MQ1 they just said get her some company.

nubo

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Greg,
I don't think that I would get rid of that bow either if I were you . Too many good times, and you trust it..........it's a "Classic" (no pun intended;):D)

Now about that new Patriot Single cam?

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When I fist got my '03 Patriot Dually, the first arrow I shot through the chrono was one of my hunting arrows. The 2315 X78 weighed 523.4 grains and with the bow set on 71 pounds and with a 29 inch draw it did 269 fps.

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I could never imagine getting rid of my mathews z-light. WAAAY too many memories nto put a price on.

If your like me, you'll keep her. Never know when you may need a back-up.

Good luck with your decission.

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I know how you feel,but I'm keeping my LX.After stopping in several bowshops in the last couple of weeks,shooting mostly Bowtechs and Hoyts,nothing has come close to smoothness of the LX,IMHO.That being said,I still like the Bowtechs,alot,but I'm at the stage where I can't deal with "harsh" bow.Speed isn't everything,it's nice,but accuracy is what I'm all about.As long as I'm getting 280-287fps with my set-up,thats more than enough.But you know,I'm still going to look real hard at that Bowtech Pro-40 again...Bob

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Once you start shooting a dual cam bow , you'll never look back , even though that mq1 is a great bow [ many say the best mathews has made] , 2 cams are better than 1 . My not so humbel oppinion .

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PICKING UP MY NEW LIBERTY TODAY:D Any suggestion on a new arrow rest? I have not bought one in a while. I really want a goodone for hunting!

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RTA- I put a drop zone on my Liberty and love it! It is very quiet and plenty of adjustment.

You guys are killing me!!! My Liberty is only a few months old and ya'll already have me wanting a Pat Dually.

My Obsessive Compulsive Disorder doesn't help things either! LOL :)

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Man you guys are killing me. I've decided to buy a new bow and can't decide between the MM VFT or the Liberty. I may also consider the Outback. I want the speed of the MM but I'm not sure if I want that short of a bow. My Mathews FX is 34" ATA so the MM doesn't seem that much shorter. What to do, what to do?????:eek:
Greg.

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Xtremetj,

..............Patriot VFT single cam.[8D]

Length and feel of the Liberty, speed of the MM.

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Matt brings up a good point about the Patriot SC though the brace is a tad shorter at 7 inches...compared to the 7.75 of the MM. It is still probably your best bet and not that far off the FX in terms of length or brace....though I gotta tell you that I love the MM VFT. It has a stiffer draw than the Liberty and just a tad more thump at the release but not much.

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I haven't thought about the Patriot SC just because of the brace height. I know the shorter the brace height the less forgiving. I have only been shooting about a year and a half. I guess I don't trust myself, my form may not be the best. I've always been told to stay with the longer brace heights. How do I know if its fucntional for me? I've Robinhooded 3 times in that time and shoot very tight groupings with the FX. I acutally tear more arrows up than not but I still don't know if I'm ready for that short of a brace height. How much difference would that 3/4" make between the two bows? Thanks for helping here guys. I feel like such a newbie.
Greg.

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xtremetj,

The longer brace height on the MightyMite probablly won't make much of a differance, but the longer a.t.a. length of the Pat will definetly make a differance. If you don't trust yourself with a 7" brace height bow, then you shouldn't be entirely comfortable shooting such a short a.t.a. speed demon like the MM!!! The MightyMite, even though it has VFT, will be easier to kant to a side. The Pat will actually probablly be the more forgiving bow for you. Like I said, that extra 3/4" of brace height wont matter much, but the extra 2-1/2" of a.t.a length on the Pat will make a big differance!

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RTA47, I've got a Trophy Taker Shakey Hunter on my Liberty. I put a NAP 4000 on a Justice I was allowed to shoot some. Both rests work fine. The NAP gives you a little more leeway in getting center shot set. But there is enough adjustment on the TT as well.

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I definitely agree with this statement of Jason's. Seven inches is the generally accepted minimal length for shootable brace height on any given bow...and with the average shooter. It would not concern me too much though I thought it worthy of being mentioned in my previous post.

However, I am one of those folks that puts more stock in brace height rather than axle to axle length as my current bow harem shows...:)

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the best thing you can do if you can is shoot the partriot the mighty mite and the liberty side by side shoot each one for a while this will tell you what bow is comfortabale for you when you get tired i have owned bows that the more you shoot the wrost they feel. that little mighty mite is awesome in my words this is the best short bow i have ever owned.. but the liberty and patriot is awesome too in my opion you cant go wrong with either one...

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Thanks for all the input guys. I really appreciate it. I've decided to go and shoot all three and then make the decision. I'll keep you posted.
Greg.