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Okay guys, I put a post on about getting a new draw module for my Liberty and I decided to get you guy's opinions.

This bow is set at 29.5" draw and I use to shoot 30" draw comfortablly. The shop where I got my bow told me to get a 29.5" draw as it would probablly be a better fit, but, I still am not entirely comfortable with it.

In order to be comfortable with my nocking point, I have to bend my left elbow a good bit.

So, what do you guys think? Should I go back up to a 30" draw or just try and get comfortable with this?

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IMO, ijimmy said it in the other thread. It's what you are comfortable with. Many people can shoot different draw lengths (+/-) based on where they anchor, and where they are comfortable (within reason).

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my advise is to get that wrist strap tighter

Shorten up the release

and shorten your draw - you look long in that picture.

You also look way deep into the grip

Shoulder is down though and the rest looks good:)

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I'm no expert.....but I agree with RA ....it looks a little long now to me too ! And I would shorten your release also !! Good Luck !

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Well, to be truthful about it... It looks to me like the draw length you've got there is at least 1 1/2" too long. If you straightened out your elbow, you'd be closer to right. Your stringside elbow is way too high, but that's caused by aiming at something lower than shoulder height and not bending at the hips. Got a little too much palm into the grip on the bow. Your inside of your bow arm elbow needs to be rotated more perpendicular to the floor. And the wrist strap on your release looks like it's cutting off the circulation to your fingers, unless you've been playing with purple dye. ;)

I know you don't want to hear any of that, but it's my point of view.

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Actually Art, it is the opposite. I am always looking to improve myself.

That anchor point in the picture, where my elbow is bent a good bit, is where it felt most comfortable. If I straighten out my arm, the edge of my release is right around the corner of my mouth, and it feels short.

P.S. I was holding the bow at full draw for several minutes and my release started to take out my circulation in my hand!!!!!!!!

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Dont know if this will help you but....When my release is on my wrist I can hold my hand open and the head of the release lays in the middle of my fingers..(My knuckle line)..Not sure where yours lay but you might want to tighten it up...;)

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I agree with everyone else here. You do look very long in that picture. Right about an inch or better judging by that. But its what you feel most comfortable shooting and are most consistant with. Keep in mind that usually, if you have to make a drastic change in your length from what you are used to, or in your anchor, it may feel weird at first. But eventually you will feel just as comfortable or even more comfy in that spot.

I personally shoot an honest 29" draw, but am more consistant with it at 28.5. Its only a 1/2, but it makes a big difference for me.

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Okay guys,

Here is a pic of me without my arm bent. As you can see, this puts the release right around the back of my lips. This is more like the form that I use when hunting. My release hand looks a little strange because I don't have my finger on the trigger as I don't want any possability of dry firing the bow.

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All these draw length posts got me curious as to what I look like from the side.
I checked it out when I got home. (It's not pretty guys![:o]:DLOL)
BM, after looking at myself in the mirror, it looks like you are about an inch farther back than I am.

I've shot a 29" draw for about 10 years. When I started, I also shot a 30" as I was self taught, and didn't know any better...just bought a bow and went with it. Finally years later, someone suggested I was too long. It turned out I was. I dropped an inch, and it was ALOT better. I use a 3 reference points when I anchor. With my bow elbow slightly bent, my release is at the corner of my mouth, the front of my nose touches the string, and I use a peep. This has always seemed to work for me, and is very consistent and comfortable.

I'm no expert by any means. I was thinking though...wouldn't where you anchor make a difference? I know some folks that anchor very low, and they have longer draw lengths because of it. ???? I have never been comfortable with a low anchor, but if you were and could shoot good....is that wrong?

I do agree with the idea that shorter is better than longer if you had to choose, especially for hunting. In fact I know a couple folks that shoot a 1" short draw because for hunting that is what they like best. When your up in a stand, and it's cold and you've got alot of clothes on...it's probably better to NOT be too long.

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The first pic looks like the string is in the correct place. It's touching your nose and the corner of your mouth. The release looks to be too long though and needs to be shortened up a bit.

In the second pic your draw length appears to be too short. It is not touching your nose or the corner of your mouth.

Actually I think your set draw length is correct but you are too streched out too much so it appears to be too short. If you bend your bow arm slightly you should be in the correct place. Loosen up just a little bit. You look like a statue.;)

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Ok you posted that new pic while I was typing my reply. Looking at the new pic, compared to me, you are still look a little longer than I am...maybe 1/2". The original pic looks like it was at least 1", maybe more. I anchor a tad higher than you, so it's not exactly the same. I can stick my tongue out of the corner of my mouth and touch my arrow nock at full draw. And my arm is also bent slightly. Of course theres no saying I am correct with mine either.

So maybe Arthur was dead on?? It wouldn't suprise me. :)

BM....what do you measure out at using the wingspan method? Have you ever checked?

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Hey guys,

I just measured my wing-spin. From the tip of my middle finger to the tip of my other middle finger is............ 74-3/8"

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If my brain is working right, I believe that puts you probably about right with the 29.5" module.

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I just checked out the "wingspan" charts and since I have a 74-3/8" wingspan, that puts me in between a 29.5 and a 30" draw length (according to the charts)

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The only problem I see in the first picture has already been covered by RA and Arthur.

In the second picture you bow grip still does not look right.
Do you have your knuckles at 45 degrees to the riser?

Having the 45 degrees will take most of the palm out of the grip.

I was taught never to cross the life line.

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I am with bigbulls on this one...though I agree with the others about your grip in the first picture. In the second picture you can tell that you are putting more pressure forward on the grip as your wrist is turned in too much in my opinion. I would believe that to be the result of forcing a straight arm when you are not entirely comfortable with it.

Third pic? :)

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I think this might be the very reason so many people are shooting draw lengths that are actually 1-2" too long... At true draw length, the string angle on these short bows don't allow a secondary anchor reference (ie. string to the tip of the nose) and the peep is way too far from the eye. So, add another inch or two and everything clears up. Only problem is, the shooter's back is so collapsed that there is no way to achieve proper back tension.

IMO, the draw length in pic 2 is still a good 1/2" too long. If you were to use a natural elbow position, one where you weren't forcing it so straight, you'd be an inch long.

Here's the changes I'd recommend. The nock should not come back past the corner of the mouth. The release hand will be rotated to face palm OUT, away from the face, which should ease the strain on the forearm muscles and make things more comfortable for you. For a solid, repeatable anchor, the knuckle at the base of the index finger should bury right up in behind the jawbone, just touching the bottom of the ear lobe.

Now, the bow arm. Without your bow... Assume your shooting stance. Hold your bow arm out like you'd be aiming your bow, hand palm down. At the shoulder, rotate your upper arm so that the inside bend of your elbow is straight up and down. At the wrist, rotate the palm of your hand so that your thumb is pointing UP at about a 45 degree angle. Now, while holding that alignment, relax your elbow. THAT is the position you want your bow arm in while shooting.

Look real close at the base of your hand in pic 2. See that little "baby's butt" next to the handle? You bow's grip should be running right down the middle of that, not off to the side like you have it. Your current grip is causing you some torque.

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http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showth...t=Dave+Cousins

If you will look at that thread, there is a picture of Dave Cousins shooting, toward the top. Also, look at the Mathews website and click on ProStaff. You can see several different form pitures in there. I don't think by comparing your form to the pros that your draw length has been too long in any of the pics. In the last picture you need to lower your bow shoulder, roll your bow elbow out a little, and relax your bow hand (let the bow find it's natural position, try putting veseline on the grip and it will go to it's natural position) and relax your bow elbow (not bend just relax). Also relax your release hand and look at shortening it up a bit (the release). Your draw elbow looks pretty good. It could be a little higher but not bad.

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At least for me, It's easier to figure when a bow is too short, than too long. Seems like there is always a place to tuck a few extra inches of draw length, but when you come up short, it's a whole other thing. So I work up to finding the most compact stance that feels good, rather than working down from a bow I hope I am large enough to draw.

Have a look at top shooters here:

http://www.arcierimonica.it/wbeste.htm

Check out the women because some of the pictures seem clearer than for the guys.